Cons of Buying a Watch-Co Built Omega

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Assumes facts not in evidence, Your Honor.

Ah, but there is precedent. WatchCo Seamaster 300s have been sent to Omega and they were rejected..... possibly even confiscated - although I forget the exact details. Confiscated might have been in an airport or in Customs of another country maybe? There were threads about this all over the watch forums a few years back.
 
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Ah, but there is precedent. WatchCo Seamaster 300s have been sent to Omega and they were rejected..... possibly even confiscated - although I forget the exact details. Confiscated might have been in an airport or in Customs of another country maybe? There were threads about this all over the watch forums a few years back.

That's not a precedent, that's a rumor that got repeated so often it's considered truth by some.

Tom
 
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Rolex would afford you no such mercy.

They'd take your watch and send you a letter telling you to go fcuk yourself.

Someone will eventually go postal on Rolex...
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Rolex would afford you no such mercy.

They'd take your watch and send you a letter telling to go fcuk yourself.

Someone will eventually go postal on Rolex...

I don't know about you but these sorts of practices have kept me from buying Rolex. That, and their watches are ugly. ;-)

I much prefer Omega.

Tom
 
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I don't know about you but these sorts of practices have kept me from buying Rolex. That, and their watches are ugly. ;-)

I much prefer Omega.

Tom
I can respect that. For most models, I prefer Rolex. But here I am on the Omega Forum. Better crowd here with more interesting things to say than the TRF people.
 
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I have a watchco 300 which I bought some years back from watchco but I also have several Speedmasters which I have built / put together myself from genuine Omega parts, future value might not be great for the Speedmasters but I'll enjoy wearing them for the next several years and I'm sure they wont be worth less than what I paid for all the parts 😁

I enjoy working on and modifying watches, the enjoyment of that and wearing them is worth more to me than their future value 👍
 
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I can respect that. For most models, I prefer Rolex. But here I am on the Omega Forum. Better crowd here with more interesting things to say than the TRF people.



Yes! Perfect summation of my thoughts.

Rolex makes a sweet watch
TRF is full of douchebags and dickheads. And, then, there's the bad guys.
 
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Yes! Perfect summation of my thoughts.

Rolex makes a sweet watch
TRF is full of douchebags and dickheads. And, then, there's the bad guys.

Here we get on with the important things in life such as what are we drinking today and what are we wearing for Halloween 😀
 
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I'm finishing a 2014 Petaluma Piccadilly Valley Chardonnay which was started with a Tasmanian ocean salmon fillet, chat potato, Dutch carrot and asparagus topped with hollandaise sauce, cracked black pepper and Pink Lake Sea Kelp salt.

I'm not wearing a watch for Halloween, but I do have a big black plastic spider on fishing line to drop on any little rug rats who ring the doorbell and spoil my Saturday night serenity.
 
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Ah, but there is precedent. WatchCo Seamaster 300s have been sent to Omega and they were rejected..... possibly even confiscated - although I forget the exact details. Confiscated might have been in an airport or in Customs of another country maybe? There were threads about this all over the watch forums a few years back.

I would appreciate it if you could cite sources for this claim. A first hand account of someone sending their watch to Omega, and it being rejected for service specifically because it's put together from Omega parts would be surprising.

Omega policies are pretty clear that they do allow a watch to be modified under very specific circumstances. The only time they allow it is if a watch is converted from one model completely into another model of watch. So taking a vintage Geneve dressy watch and completely converting it into a diver using Omega parts is acceptable per the Omega customer service policy. Doing a partial conversion is what they are not happy with, so taking a dial, hands, or bezel from one watch and putting in on a watch that makes something not ever found in the Omega catalogue would be a problem, but completely converting from one model to another is not. Not only have I read the CS policy in this regard, but have corresponded directly with Omega over this issue and specifically on the SM300 model.

Now does everyone in the Omega/Swatch organization know the rules? Likely not, so I'm not saying someone might not refuse a watch for service simply because they assume it's not allowed.

Cheers, Al
 
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Was considering a Watchco SM300, until I realized that the current asking price from Watchco was about the same as a new Black Bay 🙁
 
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I think if a guy named "Boris" from Croatia, or Luigi from Italy, or john Su from HK issued a watch identical in every way to the Watchco products everyone would freak out. The watch would definitely be a "franken" or a "replica" or a fake made with original parts. The price would be unacceptable and the seller suspect.

However Watchco has somehow managed to make themselves a legitimate franken house. It is perceived as cool and legitimate and in a way carries the brand value of Watchco over the Omega brand.

But that is a matter of perspective, perception and choice. The watches are Frankens and that is ok. They're well made and look good and if you like it, buy it. For me though there are other brands that have similar value and you can "wear the shit out of" as they say. Not sure why you can't wear the shit out of a legitimate watch though, I do. Why not buy a Tudor, of a Seiko?, or a Swatch?

I liked what they did with the SM300, because a lot of us wanted that done, a more legitimate less curated new version of the SM300. But I can't help but think I would always wear it feeling it is a franken, and for that I almost rather get one from an independent watchmaker fooling around because at least I know the fellow behind it and it's a one of a kind made by a craftsman for me, not a company mass-producing fakes from parts.

You want an affordable beater? Tudor. A Speedmaster? as stated there are so many at so many great prices that I would definitely reach George (@Kringkily) to source me one that I can enjoy.
 
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I just offered an alternative to the pejorative "franken" As far as I'm aware, WatchCo are completely open about the provenance of their product, so buyers can make an informed choice.

Who is to say that in say 20+ years, a WatchCo "insert favoured description here" might not have some collector status?
The term Franken is not a negative one, and it does not matter if the company or individuals are open about their practices. If you assemble a watch from parts you are creating a Franken watch. Period. No need for another term to use when there is a perfectly good one already at play.
 
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I have a watchco 300 which I bought some years back from watchco but I also have several Speedmasters which I have built / put together myself from genuine Omega parts, future value might not be great for the Speedmasters but I'll enjoy wearing them for the next several years and I'm sure they wont be worth less than what I paid for all the parts 😁

I enjoy working on and modifying watches, the enjoyment of that and wearing them is worth more to me than their future value 👍

And that's exactly the kind of Franken I'd take. If I knew how to do it what a pleasure it would be to wear a great watch that has been restored, re-build or customized by my own hand, for my own enjoyment. Or let's say @Archer came out with a watch made by him from parts he has around, just because he can and is having fun...I'd take it it may not be an Omega, or a Rolex but it would be an "Archer".
 
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I think if a guy named "Boris" from Croatia, or Luigi from Italy, or john Su from HK issued a watch identical in every way to the Watchco products everyone would freak out. The watch would definitely be a "franken" or a "replica" or a fake made with original parts. The price would be unacceptable and the seller suspect.

However Watchco has somehow managed to make themselves a legitimate franken house. It is perceived as cool and legitimate and in a way carries the brand value of Watchco over the Omega brand.

You are 100% wrong about "everyone would freak out" because if you think Watchco are the only people doing this, you are very mistaken. It is not a fake, or a replica, but a franken watch.

Everyone calls these watches vintage movements with modern replacement parts "Watchco" because they were the company that started it, and it's shorthand for any watch made this way.

As I've noted above, Omega considers these to be legitimate watches...

Cheers, Al
 
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Maybe. I think some people would definitely see the same exact watch on a very different light if it was sold by Boris in Croatia. Or Sergio in Spain.

Anyway, they are Frankens, that's my point. Of course you can go much deeper and see that many brands really just assemble watches from different parts often if not always from different manufacturers...so what's the difference?

To me the difference is this. If the SM300 Watchco said Watchco on the dial, or the speedmaster said Watchco speedmaster instead of Omega and then they said they are making authorized replicas with authentic original parts then I would very much respect Watchco more. Of course Omega may not like that one bit.

As I said, it's a matter of perception. To me? they are great but overpriced Frankens.
 
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I would say a big drawback even if you don't "care" about value is that when the SwatchOmega parts crisis hits, you'll be sending your watch to Omega to get serviced and they won't service a franken.
Thus rendering your watch a parts watch.
Assembled from parts and disassembled for parts once again.
These are the WatchCos of our lives.

Oh dear wont service a franken. This is why I have one vintage Omega left and have purchased a new speedy a few weeks ago. Granted the new one is not collectable at the moment, granted I accept it is a tribute to the original. However, it is still Nasa certified, some cosmonoughts have been using them as late 2014 and it is the only Nasa approved for EVA current and past models .Also the DNA and foundation of the 861/1861 comes from cal. 321 even some parts are still interchangeable. No one can say it is a redial, franken, not serviced well or with non original parts. Peace at last, peace at last. LOL! Sorry rant over.
 
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You are 100% wrong about "everyone would freak out" because if you think Watchco are the only people doing this, you are very mistaken. It is not a fake, or a replica, but a franken watch.

Everyone calls these watches vintage movements with modern replacement parts "Watchco" because they were the company that started it, and it's shorthand for any watch made this way.

As I've noted above, Omega considers these to be legitimate watches...

Cheers, Al

Does that mean Omega will service all of them no questions asked AL?
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The term Franken is not a negative one, and it does not matter if the company or individuals are open about their practices. If you assemble a watch from parts you are creating a Franken watch. Period. No need for another term to use when there is a perfectly good one already at play.



Looks negative to me.