Cleaning a dial (sheen: possibly oil stain?)

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Hi All

I’ve got a Speedmaster dial that seems to have some oil (?) round the lower part. As you can see there's a slightly glossy sheen between 5 and 9.

I wondered about either a a q-tip with a pure solvent (lighter fluid fuel?) -- but then thought that might strip the paint / print / lume. So then I wondered about Rodico magic green putty.

What would you do?

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I recommend not doing anything yet, especially Q tips and rodico!

It requires expert examination under correct lighting, a high power microscope and experience with these dials.

Edit: I STRONGLY recommend.
 
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Was that the dial sold on eBay recently for an absolute song?

I thought about buying it too and having a go at restoring it to see what would happen.

I have tried rodico on cleaning a dial but it doesn't seem to have much impact on oil - it's not absorbent enough

Perhaps there are some speciality papers that are highly absorbent that could be used?
 
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A wash with/in plain water is all you can try, otherwise follow @JimInOz instructions. Any brushing, even with q tip will leave a chance for marks, any solvent will affect the paint. If it turns out to be an easy to desolve layer then an absorbent paper could do the trick. Paper under the upside down wet dial.
 
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I recommend not handling the dial with your bare hands to start

(Picture stolen from google who stole it from Archer) Thanks @Archer 😉
 
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Take it from someone who trained how to clean paintings, unless you know what you are doing, you can get it REALLY WRONG, REALLY FAST. The whole trick to cleaning something is to take off what you want without affecting anything else. Unless you know what it is that you are taking off, how can you choose the right solvent ? Unless you know what paint is on the dial (oil, alkyd, acrylic etc) how can you choose the right solvent? To complicate matters, the paint on the lumed indices and the printed indices are bound to be different from each other and everything else.

I suspect the "oil" was added to saturate the chipped paint so that it would blend in.

You bought yourself an interesting challenge. I am curious to see how it turns out.
 
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I recommend not doing anything yet, especially Q tips and rodico!

It requires expert examination under correct lighting, a high power microscope and experience with these dials.

Edit: I STRONGLY recommend.
I recommend not doing anything yet, especially Q tips and rodico!

It requires expert examination under correct lighting, a high power microscope and experience with these dials.

Edit: I STRONGLY recommend.

Hi, it surprised me that you do not recommend the rodico, according to me that could not cause damage, although I have never used it, it only serves to remove specks and dirt from the dial without chemical damage right?, how can the rodico damage a dial?
 
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Hi, it surprised me that you do not recommend the rodico, according to me that could not cause damage […] how can the rodico damage a dial?
Residue. Please read this.
Just to clarify, this is what most brands approve for cleaning dials, meaning removal of loose debris from dials:



These cleaning sticks have a small blob of what I think is urethane at the tip, and clean dials very gently without leaving any residue behind. The blue pad is also sticky and is used to clean the tips of the sticks. This system works very well and I use it daily.

The basic Rodico (the green one), Rodico "Premium" (which is grey), or A*F's product called Rub-Off (which is blue) and any similar products are all forbidden by Omega and other companies for use on movements, dials, or hands as they leave a residue behind. I've said this before, but one of the first things the instructor at Omega did when I was their for training was tell anyone in the class who had this type of product in their tools to leave it there, because they don't allow it's use, and if you were caught using it you would fail the course.

Just to show some not so good outcomes with watchmakers cleaning dials, these were sent to me by very upset watch owners to ask my advice on what to do, and why a watchmaker would even think of cleaning the dials they sent them. This one was washed...removed some lume and generally made a mess of it:



This one was fully printed when sent away, but the watchmaker dipped the dial in "solvent H" to remove dust from the dial, something he says he does on every dial and is standard practice (it isn't). The result was loss of most of the dial printing, and to make matters worse, he didn't even mention it before sending the watch back, so the owner got quite a shock when he opened the parcel:



So in the case of the OP's watch, yes it turned out okay. I suspect the lacquer was removed, and if none was applied to replace it it's unclear how long the dial will stay nice, but overall it turned out about as good as these things do. But the risks of doing this can't be overstated, and IMO should always be done in consultation with the watch owner.

Cheers, Al
 
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Hi, it surprised me that you do not recommend the rodico, according to me that could not cause damage, although I have never used it, it only serves to remove specks and dirt from the dial without chemical damage right?, how can the rodico damage a dial?

Because it's possible that the "oil sheen" could be a film of lacquer separating from the dial paint.
Using Rodico (an adhesive) would probably lift the lacquer off in places, doing further damage.

The FIRST thing to do is find out what it is and what's causing it.
Then remedial action can be considered.
 
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Residue. Please read this.
Omega probably use cheap paint..

It is possible to wash a car these days without damaging it.
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Omega probably use cheap paint..

It is possible to wash a car these days without damaging it.

What specifically do you mean by "cheap paint"? Its a very general term for such a focused conversation on cleaning. I want to hear more and learn what you are willing to share.

Cars and watch dials - apples and oranges
 
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Find some fine dirt, then throw the dial in the dirt, leave for some days, then bake the dial, repeat the process, you got yourself a nice tropical dial with a tasteful wear - if it doesn't look good, you could dip it in oil and repeat

Joke aside, Laco does this and charges double for the process

I don't think it'll be practically possible to make this dial look pristine, best to go in the other direction and at least make it uniform
 
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I would be tempted to trial solvent poultices using something like Laponite as the absorbent 'body' made into a paste with a range of non polar solvents. Obviously testing v small areas first as discretely as possible, ie right at the outer edge.
 
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What specifically do you mean by "cheap paint"? Its a very general term for such a focused conversation on cleaning. I want to hear more and learn what you are willing to share.

Cars and watch dials - apples and oranges

Just winding you up. As it happens I am a fan of soap and water for most things, or a quick IPA drag wipe with lense tissue for optics, but they don't have paint on them normally..
 
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If it were mine, and I get it if you want to try doing this yourself, I'd send it to someone who knows what they're doing. I'd rather pay a little money and have it done well than do it myself and ruin it.
 
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Omega probably use cheap paint..

It is possible to wash a car these days without damaging it.
Yes, everyone knows that Omega is the Earl Scheib of the Swiss luxury watch industry. 🙄
 
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Yes, everyone knows that Omega is the Earl Scheib of the Swiss luxury watch industry. 🙄

I'll paint any car for $99.95
 
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I'll paint any car for $99.95
Along with the Carvel ice cream guy, worst TV commercials ever.
 
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Along with the Carvel ice cream guy, worst TV commercials ever.

I have no recollection of the Carvel commercials even after watching a few just now.