Chronographs classified as Chronometres.

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Having seen an "H.P.C." Polerouter I admit you're correct and I was definitively wrong and I do apologize for it.

H.P.C. does stand for High Precision Chronometer.

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And it is very unlikely that this HPC Polerouter dial started life in that case
 
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Very interesting discussion. Want to share this kind of research via Insta.
 
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I love instagram but I'm not sure it's the place for research and in-depth discussion.

That said, the post above is interesting. Of course, It would be great to know whether they had any evidence for the claim that HPC was the initials for Henrique Pfeffer Caracas but I did at least learn something - that Vernal was a Henrique Pfeffer proprietary brand and that there are some Vernal branded Angelus chronographs.
 
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No it isn't for sure. But I find it interesting that the poster made the connection to Mr. Pfeffer. So as the conversation here in some parts.
To find a connection from H.P.C. printing on a dial to a chronometer certificated movements is also difficult so I learned. Very hard to find out
after decades an no one there to ask 🙁
 
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Yes, the Insta-member suggests that there were dials with the full name printed and there were dials with this ominous H.P.C., so both was possible in his opinion.
 
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This is a "Henrique Pfeffer Caracas" signed UG Compax.
We know them. And it may be an explanation but no solid proof. Nice watch btw
 
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The watch below is currently being offered for sale in Ecuador. As we have come to expect, the movement is unadjusted and un-numbered, despite the H.P.C. designated dial. I believe it is the third Venezuela-map dial reference 206503 recorded in this thread, two of of which carry clear H.P.C. branding.

Come on in, Mr Pfeffer will see you now…. 😁

 
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Thanks for posting this, I was just about to do the same.

I have a bit of a hard time thinking that this unadjusted run of the mill cal 332 is being marketed and sold as High Precision Certificate, but what do I know.
 
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Thanks for posting this, I was just about to do the same.

I have a bit of a hard time thinking that this unadjusted run of the mill cal 332 is being marketed and sold as High Precision Certificate, but what do I know.

As far as I'm aware, there is no evidence whatsoever that these are anything other than Henrique Pfeffer Caracas dials.

I will continue to believe that is what they are until proven otherwise.

All credit to @bgrisso for suggesting the idea in the first place, however implausible it seemed back then.
 
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As far as I'm aware, there is no evidence whatsoever that these are anything other than Henrique Pfeffer Caracas dials.

I will continue to believe that is what they are until proven otherwise.

All credit to @bgrisso for suggesting the idea in the first place, however implausible it seemed back then.

I suppose, unless something better comes along.

If this theory is true I guess we should not see any movements in HPC watch with US import codes? Have we been tracking that?
 
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Some more thoughts and questions..............

1) I was talking with @CafeRacer about HPC since he did a post on IG about it recently, and he mentioned there appears to be a date transition from early (spelling full name Henrique Pfeffer Caracas) to late (abbreviated HPC if that is indeed what it stands for). He didn't recall the exact cut off or have the data on hand so I wanted to have a quick look around online and see what I can find.

From my limited searches here on OF and on the internet, this is what I have in about an hours research (please excuse, could by slightly sloppy on some of the digits, I was highly focused on the first 3 digits of the case serial for dating purposes):

EARLY (Henrique Pfeffer Caracas)
753XXX - 212205
908XXX - 1XXXX
977435 - 22276
1007496 - 212205
1011001 - 212143
101156X - 212144
104XXXX - 12322

LATE (HPC)
1090443 - 20724
1107160 - 22242
1379XXX - 12445
14921X2 - 206503
1492310 - 206503
1664061 - 106515/1A
1666585 - 122100/1

So that's 14 examples and so far they appear to sort quite neatly into a consistent pattern.

It would be good to add more data and see if anyone can confirm or contradict the above pattern?

2) is anyone aware of any Henrique Pfeffer Caracas branded boxes, papers, etc? In other words do we have any examples (either fully spelled or abbreviated dials) with some supportive accessories?

3) If there was a company switch from fully spelled to abbreviated, was that only on watch dials, or would that have been reflected in other merchandise? In other words can we find other products that say HPC ?

4) if HPC does not stand for Henrique Pfeffer Caracas, and instead is High Precision Certificate or the like, then theoretically we should stand to find some Henrique Pfeffer Caracas dials that ALSO say HPC. In other words why would Henrique Pfeffer Caracas never sell a single example of a High Precision Certificate watch from among all their watches? But I've never seen such a thing.

5) Lastly, I came across an article on the dink about a collector that has two same time only reference, one is signed HPC and one is not. In this article they state that HPC stands for Henrique Pfeffer Caracas. So I wonder where does their information come from (maybe the collector?), or did it come from here on OF, or have others independently come to the same conclusion, etc? I guess we could reach out on IG and ask.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/jojo-la-montre-joel-laplace-geneva-vintage-watches
 
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As I’m sure @CafeRacer was able to confirm, Polerouters seem to fit this pattern ie. there are a very small number of known HPC dials but I’ve not ever seen one with a full Henrique Pfeffer Caracas signature (all Polerouter serials will fall into the later group).
 
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Some other HPC numbers (there are doubles with the list above)
 
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Another HPC, which fits the case serial pattern, AND coming from seller in Venezuela 👍