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Chronographs classified as Chronometres.

  1. Moahunter

    Moahunter Nov 3, 2017

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    According to this 1950's ad, some chronographs were classified as chronometres.
    UGChronometre.jpg

    Anyone ever seen one, does Sala list them?
     
  2. Modest_Proposal

    Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Nov 4, 2017

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    It is my understanding that chronographs marked "H.P.C." are "High Precision Chronometres". They are very hard to find.
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  3. rolokr

    rolokr Nov 4, 2017

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    Movement picture ?
     
  4. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Nov 4, 2017

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    No different from any other as far as I know
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  5. Moahunter

    Moahunter Nov 4, 2017

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    So no evidence on the movement that it is a chronometre.
    Shouldn't there be?
    Some thing like "Adjusted 5 positions".
    Otherwise the HPC on the dial could mean High Precision Chronograph or even be an attempt to defraud.
    @ ModestProposal...where did your info. re HPC come from?
     
  6. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Nov 4, 2017

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    Sala, page 220, dial marking also seen in an original UG advert on page 224.

    Are you suggesting UG engaged in systematic fraud?::popcorn::
     
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  7. Moahunter

    Moahunter Nov 5, 2017

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    I haven't got Sala so I haven't seen the examples you cite. But do we know what HPC means?
     
  8. Moahunter

    Moahunter Nov 5, 2017

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    Here is another HPC.
    universal-geneve-universal-geneve-h-p-c-ca-1940.jpg

    Since it isn't a chronograph can we assume C means Chronometre?
     
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  9. Foo2rama

    Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Nov 5, 2017

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    HPC could be marketing. It has no legal definition like chronometer does.
     
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  10. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Nov 5, 2017

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    High Precision Chronometer, according to Sala. His source is unknown.

    So why wouldn't all of their pieces be so marked?

    Very interesting
     
  11. Mlafra

    Mlafra Nov 5, 2017

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    HPC stands indeed for High Precision Chronometre, apparently these (rare) pieces were subject to stricter regulations upon manufacturing.
    For sure the level of finishing was the same and not higher.
    Even though I dont know I suspect that when new and sold they came with some kind of extra paper work certifing the chronometre status, kind of like a bulletin or extra certification of sort. That is probably why there is no sign of this on the movement itself.
    This was not that uncommon with other manufactures back then.
     
  12. Vitezi

    Vitezi Nov 5, 2017

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  13. Vitezi

    Vitezi Nov 5, 2017

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    Polerouter HPC here:
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    (thanks)
     
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  14. Moahunter

    Moahunter Nov 5, 2017

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    There seems to have been some change from the use of "H.P.C." to "Chronometre". The ad. in my OP clearly uses this latter word and describes the testing and issue of relevant paperwork. Was there some change in regulations?
    We know that later Chronometres like the RailRouter had inscribed info. on the movement., visible to the right of the U logo in this photo.
    cdd81116359c.jpg
     
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  15. Moahunter

    Moahunter Nov 9, 2017

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  16. Modest_Proposal

    Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Nov 10, 2017

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  17. Mlafra

    Mlafra Nov 10, 2017

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    well I would neither the case nor the dial of this watch is original.... I would also have lots of doubts about the movement considering the placements of the buttons...
     
  18. Modest_Proposal

    Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Nov 10, 2017

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  19. tapaptpat

    tapaptpat Nov 10, 2017

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    @Moahunter is this meant to be only for UG only or are other takers welcome?
    I can think of at least one of the top of my head. The very lovely Sinn EZM1 issued. They would have the chronometer id engraved on case back.
    Either way still got me interested in some weekend reading.

    Thanks
    p
     
  20. bgrisso

    bgrisso Sep 26, 2018

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    Following on the other recent thread about Chronometre on the dial (that particular watch did not have a serialized mvmt), then I assume it would be a similar problem if you have a HPC marked dial (time only), with this under the hood? We have to assume, what, that someone has swapped the dial or mvmt?

    Or are the rules different for HPC dials vs Chronometre dials?
     
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