Check on 105.012-65

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Also thanks for those tips @ibis888 - will check the WTB section

*edit: just seen I need to make 200 posts before able to access that one 😵‍💫
FYI you can access the WTB thread or the Private Sales thread to view what is for sale- and if you are interested to buy you can DM the seller (just click on send messsage) and buy that way. The 200 post rule applies to making a post on those threads but does not prohibit your review and purchase by DM direct to seller. Its a bit confusing it took me a bit to figure this out as well... Welcome to OF!
 
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Hey @hansaboy
thanks for your opinion on that - appreciate it!

To be fair I only know now for ~1h that the hands aren't the original ones.
I have been very happy after receiving the watch but the hands-situation is definitely one that annoys me on first feeling. Not only is it non-original, but also do I like the small hands less (even from a readability-perspective). The latter is than obviously even more annoying when knowing this isn't how it should be haha.

So yeh, I think I definitely want an all original 105.012-65.
Changing the hands can of course be one option for me to think about. For that I need to learn a bit more on how easy it is to find such original hands. I'll definitely still contact the seller though tomorrow as I was relying on them to get an original watch and they advertise "Whether new, pre-owned or vintage: The authenticity of each luxury watch is guaranteed by our qualified Watchmakers."
I totally missed that the price was shown on your watch!
8500 € is way over the top for this one....
Sorry if I mislead you regarding my opinions, but others have given you good advice.

Good luck with everything!
 
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Thanks everyone! Spoke to the reseller today via customer support. They need to raise the topic to the supervisor who should be in touch with me. Let’s see - hopefully I can return and then find the right one 😀
 
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FYI you can access the WTB thread or the Private Sales thread to view what is for sale- and if you are interested to buy you can DM the seller (just click on send messsage) and buy that way. The 200 post rule applies to making a post on those threads but does not prohibit your review and purchase by DM direct to seller. Its a bit confusing it took me a bit to figure this out as well... Welcome to OF!
Great - thanks for the info!
 
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Ok, so after quite a bit of back and forth it seems like the reseller accepts a return now and I'll get a refund.

@ibis888 @SOG53 @pdxleaf and others:
Really appreciate all the great responses here - helped a lot to correct that mistake now vs getting frustrated about it in years today come!

That also means, I'll be in the market again for a 105.012-65 😀

If any of you are aware of interesting pieces on the market, I'd of course very much appreciate your help!!
 
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I think you made the correct choice! The 105.012-65 is a rare reference, the watch worn by Neil Armstrong on the Apollo 11 mission. If you are willing to broaden your horizons, the 105.012-66 (HF and CB cases) are also amazing watches and a bit easier to find (I think one is for sale right now in the private sales section). The -66 was used to time the critical burn on the Apollo 13 mission. In my opinion, the 105.012-65 and 66 are the true "moonwatches."

If you search Youtube for 105.012 you should see some great videos from forum member "Spacefruit" the author of the speedmaster101 website.

If you *really* want to go down the rabbit hole, check out this blog post (from another forum member):

https://www.chronoholic.com/post/a-...dmaster-professional-105-012-65-the-moonwatch
 
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Thank you @ibis888!

To be honest it’ll have to be the 105.012-65 for me. It’s imo the reference with the most historic value and therefore the one I chose to go for. Now unfortunately it didn’t work out on first try haha, but will look to find the right one for me!

As you say, they’re quire rare.. Crazily one sold in this forum on the day of my original post, just came a tiny bit too late.. Found this one https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omega-speedmaster-professional-321-105012-65--id34843695.htm which is probably a bit overpriced.
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Also just got this one sent with a price of $10,000.

Does everything look correct here? Happy for any feedback 😀
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Also just got this one sent with a price of $10,000.

Does everything look correct here? Happy for any feedback 😀

The photo is not focused enough to determine the condition.

A photo of the movement is always helpful, as well as serial number, and a sharp photo of the case showing multiple angles.

The missing lume from the chrono hand would bug me, as well as the chipped paint from the center of the hands. Not earth-shattering, more a matter of personal taste, as there is usually something that is less than perfect that you have to live with, which each person feels differently about.

The lume color is attractive, but the photo is not sharp enough to determine if it is original or relumed.

The bezel looks in good condition but the photo isn't sharp enough for me to tell if it's real (not saying it isn't, just that i can't tell.)

That's about the best I can offer. See what others think.
 
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The photo is not focused enough to determine the condition.

A photo of the movement is always helpful, as well as serial number, and a sharp photo of the case showing multiple angles.

The missing lume from the chrono hand would bug me, as well as the chipped paint from the center of the hands. Not earth-shattering, more a matter of personal taste, as there is usually something that is less than perfect that you have to live with, which each person feels differently about.

The lume color is attractive, but the photo is not sharp enough to determine if it is original or relumed.

The bezel looks in good condition but the photo isn't sharp enough for me to tell if it's real (not saying it isn't, just that i can't tell.)

That's about the best I can offer. See what others think.
Thanks so much @pdxleaf, it's so extremely helpful! I know I want that reference, but definitely don't have the knowledge/experienced to immediately recognise all these little things.

Here are a few more photos - similar to mediocre quality, but at lest some different angles..
 
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Nice that you received an extract. From where I sit ot looks correct. The movement has been serviced a few times. Fair price
 
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Thank you @ibis888!

To be honest it’ll have to be the 105.012-65 for me. It’s imo the reference with the most historic value and therefore the one I chose to go for. Now unfortunately it didn’t work out on first try haha, but will look to find the right one for me!

As you say, they’re quire rare.. Crazily one sold in this forum on the day of my original post, just came a tiny bit too late.. Found this one https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omega-speedmaster-professional-321-105012-65--id34843695.htm which is probably a bit overpriced.

The Chrono 24 listing has the wrong chrono seconds hand and most importantly, the wrong pushers. The "short and fat" pushers are a big part of what make the 105.012s so appealing.
 
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Why not post photos before buying? Especially after that first watch. 🤦
 
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The Chrono 24 listing has the wrong chrono seconds hand and most importantly, the wrong pushers. The "short and fat" pushers are a big part of what make the 105.012s so appealing.

Good shout. Have a look at the dial and you’ll know it’s even got more issues than you’ve already correctly identified. 😉 (hint: “Professional”)

About the other one discussed above; that looks like a watch worth studying more. Correct at first glance and fairly priced, especially with that 1506 bracelet coming as part of the package. Given the chance to buy that one, I’d be tempted!
 
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Greetings from Paris (on a vacation 😀)!!!

We all love the 105.012´s, and the 65 is one of our Grails.
I don't understand if you have been offered the watch (not the Chrono24) or you have bought it?

This one looks very promising, but to help you with a correct assessment,
more, better and sharper pictures are needed.
The dial could be very nice....Some darker spots on the lume.
And the hand seems to match the watch.
A nice bezel, with only a few marks, but sadly - a scratch at the 225-275 markers.
The chrono hand needs a re-lume, and maybe coloradjust the white missing on the hands (if that bothers you?).
The watch has the correct pushers which is very important and a correct crown.

I think that the case has had an easy polish. But in a nice condition with some visible brushing.
A nice 1506/16 bracelet, maybe a little tired/some stretch.
The movement looks very nice, and serviced a few times.
Always nice to have an extract.

But more detailed pictures are VERY important!!
If the dial and lume are nice,
with no scratches, marks, oilmarks or other blemishes then the price is very reasonable.

Good luck, and we are looking forward to your pictures!
 
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$10k is a fair price for that watch in my opinion (for whatever it's worth). Especially with the bracelet and extract. It has the correct B1 "dot diagonal 70" bezel and the short and fat pushers. The hands and lume are a little tired but in an honest way, I think it speaks to the character and age of the watch. That part is up to you though, the price will be much higher if the lume was in very good condition.

Tough to tell if there is any dial damage or not...

Any chance you have a picture of the caseback to see if the double bevel is still visible? A key feature of the -65s.

January 1967 is near the end of the production run of the -65s.
 
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@Dan S @hansaboy I didn't buy the watch yet, no 😀 Wouldn't do that anymore without feedback from this forum haha.
But yeh it's for sale and $10k is pretty much the same I paid for the first one, so I'm definitely prepared to spend that for the right piece.

Thanks a lot to everyone again for the feedback, it's really valuable to me! Also happy to hear that this one seems to look promising.
I'll speak to the seller and try to get some more detailed pictures and keep you all updated.

@ibis888 photo of caseback attached, happy to hear your thoughts on it 😀
@hansaboy hope you're enjoying Paris!
 
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I’m no expert but I think it’s going to be tough to find another -65 around that price point in that kind of condition. Assuming no dial damage (tough to tell from photos) seems like a great, honest watch.

I’m saving up the funds for a -65 or -66 and would certainly be very interested in that watch if I was ready to buy.

Make sure you factor in a service in the near future.
 
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Assuming no dial damage (tough to tell from photos) seems like a great, honest watch.

Well, it looks like there is some minor dial damage. The seller states that the dial is in great shape with one patina spot. It looks like it is on the 9 o'clock side of the running second sub-dial (on the edge). Looks like an honest watch at a very fair price, even factoring in that patina spot in the dial, the slightly softer case and a little stretch in the bracelet. Good buy, imho.
 
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Well, it looks like there is some minor dial damage. The seller states that the dial is in great shape with one patina spot. It looks like it is on the 9 o'clock side of the running second sub-dial (on the edge).
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Good eye. It could just be some floating lume from the chrono hand, which wouldn't be permament. But he should pay as if it's damaged, especially as you noted that the seller pointed it out.