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Check on 105.012-65

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Dear Omega-Experts,

I recently bought a 105.012-65. Generally very happy with the condition, but only now I realised that the minute/hour-hands are shorter than on other photos I find of the watch (and shorter than on most Speedys in general).

Has anyone seen such shorter hands before? Is it likely they have been replaced at some point?
I’m generally very happy with the condition of the watch (though not a big expert), but now a bit unsure if it isn’t as good as I thought it is 😁

Very happy for any feedback!!
Here is the link to the listing with a video etc if that helps too:
https://www.brandizzi.com/en/omega/omega-speedmaster-ref-105012-65#single-product__video
 
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YY77
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Yes hands are replaced, these belong to another Speedmaster model iirc the mark series.
 
Davidt
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They’re incorrect. From a mk4.5 I think. The chrono hand is also wrong
 
Jonathan40
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I can only imagine that this is an expensive mistake.
If you bought over the internet and depending where you are you might be able to return under distance selling rules as they are a business.
Good luck resolving this issue
 
ibis888
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The watch will of course need a service, you could have the hands replaced at that time if you can source a set (try the WTB section of this forum and make sure you get the correct "tear drop" chrono seconds hand).

The bracelet is also not original to the watch but a later model (still valuable).

At least the pushers are correct, one of the best features of the 105.012 compared to later speedmasters.
 
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Thanks so much for the feedback everyone!

How much of it’s appeal/value does the watch lose in your opinion due to the replaced hands?
As I said I’m generally happy with the condition which is hard to find for that model - but also don’t have the expertise to fully judge that situation.

Will definitely contact the seller tomorrow. I bought it via Chronext which is a big + reputable (I thought haha) German reseller who got it from that Italian boutique from the link above. They sort of guarantee authenticity. Hence I bought via them - but this situation is obviously disappointing..
 
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Also thanks for those tips @ibis888 - will check the WTB section

*edit: just seen I need to make 200 posts before able to access that one 😵‍💫
 
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Just my opinion, but at the price listed (8,900 Euro?) I would return the watch. You can do a lot better for the money, particularly on the private sales section of this forum.
 
pdxleaf
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Your heart is in the right place. That is an iconic reference, the same as Neil Armstrong’s.

If you can return it, as others have said, you will have avoided a big headache. You can find much better examples.

Have you seen speedmaster101.com? If not, that site should be helpful.

If you find another watch you are considering, people here are happy to help and advise before you buy.

So what got you interested in Speedmasters? We love meeting new fellow watch fans!
 
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Hey @pdxleaf
thanks for your message - very nice to see such friendly responses and the forum being so alive!

To your question: this one is the first expensive/'collectable' watch I bought.
Been thinking about it for a while and the historic reference with it being the particular model as first on the moon and then one of/if not the most well known and iconic lines of watches being built upon it until today just fascinated me and I knew that's the reference for me to go for.
I might have just gotten the wrong example.. 😁

So yes, once I hopefully have that sorted with the (re-)seller, I'll be in the market again for a 105.012-65. If anyone here is aware or sees any for sale, I'd appreciate a shout of course! 😀
 
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I dont think that you should think about the hands right now?
These can be replaced in the future, maybe with a service.
How do you feel when you look at the watch and wear it?
Are you happy with it?
Thats the most important thing!
Nobody outside the watchworld really cares or knows about correct hands…
 
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Hey @hansaboy
thanks for your opinion on that - appreciate it!

To be fair I only know now for ~1h that the hands aren't the original ones.
I have been very happy after receiving the watch but the hands-situation is definitely one that annoys me on first feeling. Not only is it non-original, but also do I like the small hands less (even from a readability-perspective). The latter is than obviously even more annoying when knowing this isn't how it should be haha.

So yeh, I think I definitely want an all original 105.012-65.
Changing the hands can of course be one option for me to think about. For that I need to learn a bit more on how easy it is to find such original hands. I'll definitely still contact the seller though tomorrow as I was relying on them to get an original watch and they advertise "Whether new, pre-owned or vintage: The authenticity of each luxury watch is guaranteed by our qualified Watchmakers."
 
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Whether this purchase was a mistake, is all relative to the price you paid. The watch does have correct pushers and a DON bezel which appears to be in fairly nice condition.The lume on the dial is in poor condition along with the incorrect hands. Do you have a photo of the movement? Please share if you do.
 
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Hands aside, the dial is not in great condition. As your knowledge/taste evolves, you may grow to not like it so much. A re-lume could improve the lume plots themselves, but the dial itself isn't in good condition either. And again, not for this price point. Best of luck!
 
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pitbos pitbos
Whether this purchase was a mistake, is all relative to the price you paid. The watch does have correct pushers and a DON bezel which appears to be in fairly nice condition.The lume on the dial is in poor condition along with the incorrect hands. Do you have a photo of the movement? Please share if you do.

Thanks @pitbos

Photo of movement attached
 
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The dial would bother me more than the hands. You can find hands and have them aged/relumed if necessary. The dial however, is not attractive to me. The plots are dark green rather than the nice yellow you see on the good examples.

As your watch collecting eye is refined I think you’ll like this one less and less, especially at that price.

Id also return it.
 
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To your question: this one is the first expensive/'collectable' watch I bought.
Been thinking about it for a while and the historic reference with it being the particular model as first on the moon and then one of/if not the most well known and iconic lines of watches being built upon it until today just fascinated me and I knew that's the reference for me to go for....

Me too, the Speedmaster was my first "luxury" (i.e. expensive) watch. I bought a new at the time 1861 Speedmaster for a retirement present for myself, ( with my wife’s blessing.) Since then I have also gone a little nuts for vintage.

If you're jumping into vintage first, it pays to not be in a hurry. There's always another watch (except for the really excellent ones.) It might be more satisfying when you find the one you want after looking at many watches for awhile. You'll get to recognize what makes one better than another, as well as what you can live with or not (everything has a price and there are normally trade offs.) Some people have to have a nice dial first, others a nice case, etc...

Anyway, welcome aboard. Think about getting yourself an avatar. 😀
 
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I would not try to make this watch right. It will be expensive and not the thing you want as a new collector. Return it and do more homework and with the support of this forum you will find a watch to be happy with.
 
ibis888
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There are some fantastic Speedmasters in the private sales section right now as well as a few left on Speedmaster 101’s site (speedmastersales.com) from his recent offerings. All amazing places to start as a new collector of vintage Speedmasters.
 
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