Can anybody help?

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Hello knowledgable hive,

I hope this is the right place to ask...

I have got two 8 days watches from which I cannot identify the makers of the movements.
Both have 15 jewels and 3 adjustments

Here we go:



8 days movement / diameter of movement: appr. 50mm / 22´´´

It is built into a large case which might have been mounted in a deskclock (winder at 6).



The second is mounted in a beautiful Gubelin marble deskclock with purple translucide enamel
also 8 days movement / diameter of movement: appr. 42mm / 19´´´



No markings below the balance.

Has anyone of the OF family a clue about the movement makers? Help would much be appreciated.
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Can’t help but that second one is amazing!
 
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I checked my Bestfit catalog section on 8-day clocks. Nothing matched. The first one sort of resembles 8-day movements made by Sandoz. The second one is marked Gubelin, and they made a lot of clocks of this style. In short, I’m guessing!
 
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While I was searching, @rendo replied with what appears to be spot on for the first one. I found the same listing, and I think he’s nailed it!
 
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The second one is similar to the Lemania I found in the Bestfit catalog: