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TexOmega
·Those crazy Swiss, they're a riot at parties, too.😁
At least they put those little arrows.....finally!
At least they put those little arrows.....finally!
Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs
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TexOmega
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DaveK
··Yoda of YodelersI had a 435 (17j) and wanted this 433 (17j) to slot into my later day Ball collection. And it really has a nice dial. And times well.
From my understanding, the 435B and 435C are 21j and were actually accepted as RR grade in the mid 1950's.
The US regulations always specifically excluded Swiss made pws from being even considered as RR grade, so I guess the regulations changed around that time.
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Canuck
·https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/4552552
The pocketwatchdatabase site information on the Elgin posted by @TexOmega . This watch is listed as railroad grade by the time service rules that prevailed at that time. The above listing indicates this was a hunting case style movement which, later on, would no longer be approved. This Elgin has a conversion dial on it which allowed a hunter cased movement to be fitted to an open faced case. The result being the seconds bit is at the three position instead of at the six position.
Such watches were often grandfathered after time service rules changed, and the watch would no longer have been approved. That is, contingent on the watch still performing to prevailing standard after the time service rules changed.
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TexOmega
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Canuck
·A favorite for 25 years. And rare as hens teeth capped in gold.
I have spent some time trying to draw a conclusion as to what grade number the Hamilton Watch Co. would have called the Ball grade 999 posted by @TexOmega . What has me puzzled is the regulator on every 18-size Hamilton is like the regulator on my Hamilton grade 927 pictured below. A Goldthwait regulator.
But the regulator on this particular Ball grade 999 is different! The picture (below) is from an 18-size Ball grade 999 which appears on the pocketwatchdatabase site, and it is the same regulator as on the Ball posted by @TexOmega. And the barrel bridge on the Grade 999 posted by @TexOmega is different to the barrel bridge on my grade 927 (posted above), and also different to the one shown on the pocketwatchdatabase site. The only conclusion I can draw is that Ball made changes to the base calibre made by Hamilton, and those changes are reflected here.
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Alpha
··Kilt Owner, Beagle Parent, Omega CollectorElgin in action this evening 😀
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Waltesefalcon
·I have spent some time trying to draw a conclusion as to what grade number the Hamilton Watch Co. would have called the Ball grade 999 posted by @TexOmega . What has me puzzled is the regulator on every 18-size Hamilton is like the regulator on my Hamilton grade 927 pictured below. A Goldthwait regulator.
But the regulator on this particular Ball grade 999 is different! The picture (below) is from an 18-size Ball grade 999 which appears on the pocketwatchdatabase site, and it is the same regulator as on the Ball posted by @TexOmega. And the barrel bridge on the Grade 999 posted by @TexOmega is different to the barrel bridge on my grade 927 (posted above), and also different to the one shown on the pocketwatchdatabase site. The only conclusion I can draw is that Ball made changes to the base calibre made by Hamilton, and those changes are reflected here.
I suppose that your supposition is the one that makes the most sense. Ball, for whatever reason, requested a different regulator, and Hamilton obliged.
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Canuck
·I may have posted this one before, and told the story that goes with it. But in answer to @Alpha ’s posting of his Elgin, I’ll tell you (again?) about mine. My wife’s great grandfather was a sergeant in the Union Army during the American civil war. When he mustered out, he became a sheriff in Paducah County in Kentucky. He married and they started a family. They left Kentucky and started a farm in Kansas. His wife was deathly afraid of the tornadoes that plagued the area, so they sold the farm and moved to Washington state, to a homestead near a town south of Spokane called Spangle. They must have done well, because after the farm was operating, he opened a hardware store in Spangle in about 1900. In 1903 he treated himself to the Elgin you see in the pictures. It is a B W Raymond, 19-jewel grade. The B W Raymond movement was railroad standard, but the dial and hands on this one (suited his liking), but this watch would never have been approved for railroad use. My wife’s mother inherited it in the early 1960s. She gave it to my wife in the mid 1970s, to give to our son was not even 10 years old. I became the custodian of the watch, and he’ll get it after I die!
This model differs from the usual plate layout of Elgin 18-size models. This one is a bridge model rather than the typical full plate design seen on most Elgin 18-size models.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/8579963
This model differs from the usual plate layout of Elgin 18-size models. This one is a bridge model rather than the typical full plate design seen on most Elgin 18-size models.
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/8579963
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Canuck
·The 18s Ball models look to be Hamilton Model 1s, whereas your 927 is a Model 2. My best guess in the difference in the barrel bridge on Tex's Ball and every other 18s Hamilton I've seen is that it was a special request from Ball that was discontinued after a run or two.
I suppose that your supposition is the one that makes the most sense. Ball, for whatever reason, requested a different regulator, and Hamilton obliged.
Whether the changes to the basic Hamilton movement were done by Hamilton, at the request of Ball, or whether changes to the basic Hamilton model were done by Ball in Cleveland, is a moot point. Ball made enough changes to the basic calibres provided to him by the U S makers, the Ball company was considered a manufacturer. Interesting to speculate.
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Canuck
·Good work to the administrators on the new look message board from the Pocket Watch Buffs forum.
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TexOmega
·Sadly, we pw buffs are still relegated to the “Open” sub forum.
I requested a promotion to the Big Boy Table for us, so all so inclined go over to the admin thread and do the same.
Seiko, of all watches🧐 finally got a standalone forum.🤨
I requested a promotion to the Big Boy Table for us, so all so inclined go over to the admin thread and do the same.
Seiko, of all watches🧐 finally got a standalone forum.🤨
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Canuck
·Sadly, we pw buffs are still relegated to the “Open” sub forum.
I requested a promotion to the Big Boy Table for us, so all so inclined go over to the admin thread and do the same.
Seiko, of all watches🧐 finally got a standalone forum.🤨
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DaveK
··Yoda of YodelersI’ve asked the good admins before about this. Promotion to its own subforum would be driven by the amount of threads created re pocket watches, as well as general activity in this thread. I’ve noticed that folks tend to create a thread about their “old omega” instead of titling it “omega pocket watch”, so I don’t think that pocket watch interest is being fully captured. There is also a UG pocket watch thread that keeps somewhat active. I believe we should have a separate sub forum, it would help a lot of people
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DaveK
··Yoda of YodelersBy the way, have we all seen the 1928 Hamilton catalogue that @gatorcpa shared? There was some talk here a few pages ago about traffic specials, and it’s interesting to see them priced at half what a 992 would cost.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zb3KLThw_F1H2c_WajgOllAi7m7Ksi3a/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zb3KLThw_F1H2c_WajgOllAi7m7Ksi3a/view
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Canuck
·By the way, have we all seen the 1928 Hamilton catalogue that @gatorcpa shared? There was some talk here a few pages ago about traffic specials, and it’s interesting to see them priced at half what a 992 would cost.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zb3KLThw_F1H2c_WajgOllAi7m7Ksi3a/view
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Waltesefalcon
·I feel like the powers that be would prefer brand specific sub forums, rather than an umbrella sub for all pocket watches. This thread has been fabulously well received and has been very active. If this thread has not been enough to convince everyone that there should be a pocketwatch sub, I don't think anything will.
Back in 2020 I tried to get an Illinois pocketwatch thread off the ground. Sadly, it only lasted five pages, and has not had a post in a year. There doesn't seem to be enough interest for a single brand thread, much less a sub. I am of the belief that we will see a Casio sub before a pocketwatch sub.
Back in 2020 I tried to get an Illinois pocketwatch thread off the ground. Sadly, it only lasted five pages, and has not had a post in a year. There doesn't seem to be enough interest for a single brand thread, much less a sub. I am of the belief that we will see a Casio sub before a pocketwatch sub.
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pdxleaf
··So on and so on and scoobie doobie dooNothing says there can't be multiple threads. Most of the people on this one would make them function. Would you want to go to one thread like this, or individual threads?
What would be the groups? A general discussion? Railroad, military, Non-American, by brand?
I'm agnostic about sub- forums. I do search this often and have barely scratched the surface. It would be helpful if it was sorted, but it's also nice to find new posts that bring new territory.
Regardless, for me, Canuck's PW thread is one of the crown jewels of the forum.
What would be the groups? A general discussion? Railroad, military, Non-American, by brand?
I'm agnostic about sub- forums. I do search this often and have barely scratched the surface. It would be helpful if it was sorted, but it's also nice to find new posts that bring new territory.
Regardless, for me, Canuck's PW thread is one of the crown jewels of the forum.
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Canuck
·Nothing says there can't be multiple threads. Most of the people on this one would make them function. Would you want to go to one thread like this, or individual threads?
What would be the groups? A general discussion? Railroad, military, Non-American, by brand?
I'm agnostic about sub- forums. I do search this often and have barely scratched the surface. It would be helpful if it was sorted, but it's also nice to find new posts that bring new territory.
Regardless, for me, Canuck's PW thread is one of the crown jewels of the forum.
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TexOmega
·Anytime I see an old Catalog and see the Hamilton Masterpiece Collection, I have to post my 1928 Masterpiece.
Hand made and a hand chased 18kt White Gold case with a Sterling Silver dial and 18kt yellow gold raise numerals and hands
Hand made and a hand chased 18kt White Gold case with a Sterling Silver dial and 18kt yellow gold raise numerals and hands
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