Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs

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Anytime I see an old Catalog and see the Hamilton Masterpiece Collection, I have to post my 1928 Masterpiece.

Hand made and a hand chased 18kt White Gold case with a Sterling Silver dial and 18kt yellow gold raise numerals and hands

THAT would be a12-size Hamilton I would want! I might even accept a garden variety grade 922! I have a 12-size Waltham in a 14-karat case, and an Omega that might qualify as 12-size. All else are 16 or 18 size. Oh, and an Elgin in a 14-karat white gold case. This would qualify as 12-size, but it is an “opera” case with a wrist watch movement. I showed it recently. The “Masterpiece” was in competition with equivalent models from other makers. And mucho dinero back in the day. These were often used as presentation watches. The Keystone Howard 23-jewel series “0” comes to mind. It was offered to the same market as the Masterpiece, but the Howard is 16-size.
 
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Credit where credit is due! The idea for the pocket watch thread came from @DaveK , not from me. I opened the thread with a post on a Hamilton 992, but the credit belongs to @DaveK . And to all other posters who have helped perpetuate it. I get the impression that this thread has motivated many folks to develop an interest in pocket watches, and indeed has motivated many folks to become collectors. As to brand specific pocket watch threads? Pocket watches have been around since the 17th century. That is, about 350 years. To pigeon hole specific brands to create brand specific forums is simply not possible, considering the breadth of the topic. As to being the “jewel” thread on the Omega forum? About 191,000 views in 3 1/2 years might be an indication! We collectors have a place where we can boast, and to learn!

I don’t recall what the moment was that pushed me into pocket watches, but I’d bet $4 Canadian that @Canuck was influential. This thread has been a lot of fun!

Nothing says there can't be multiple threads. Most of the people on this one would make them function. Would you want to go to one thread like this, or individual threads?

What would be the groups? A general discussion? Railroad, military, Non-American, by brand?

I'm agnostic about sub- forums. I do search this often and have barely scratched the surface. It would be helpful if it was sorted, but it's also nice to find new posts that bring new territory.

Regardless, for me, Canuck's PW thread is one of the crown jewels of the forum.
I’d bet that, to start, a railroad PW thread and an American PW thread would be strong leads in a PW subforum, joined by the UG thread, and a poorly-attended Omega PW thread. My hunch is that more PW collectors (and those who are PW-curious) would find us in surprising numbers once the subforum gave us more daylight.
 
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Random thoughts.

Comparing the Hamilton grades 992, 992E, and 992B:

992- bi-metallic, temperature compensating balance wheel, blued steel Breguet hairspring, riveted balance staff. Jewels screw set.

992E- mono-metallic, Elinvar balance wheel and Elinvar Breguet hairspring, friction balance staff, pallet cock marked Elinvar. Jewels screw set.

992B- An almost totally different movement! Mono-metallic Elinvar Extra Breguet hairspring, friction balance staff, friction set jewels.

Comparing the Hamilton grades 950, 950E, and 950B:

950- bi-metallic, temperature compensating balance wheel, blued steel Breguet hairspring, riveted balance staff, jewels screw set.

950E- mono-metallic Elinvar balance wheel, Elinvar Breguet hairspring, friction (not riveted) balance staff, jewels screw set, pallet cock marked Elinvar.

950B- mono-metallic Elinvar Extra balance wheel, Elinvar Extra Breguet hairspring, friction balance staff (not riveted). Jewels friction set.

The point of this whole exercise you might ask? The 992 and 992E were quite different to the 992B. The 950, 950E, and 950B were very similar.

Here I show side by each a 950 and a 950B, followed by a 950E.

 
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Hamilton 4992B circa 1952-3 with leather(edit to correct…Rubber)protection pouch.

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Hamilton 4992B circa 1952-3 with leather protection pouch.

A great example. Is the case leather? It sure looks like rubber in the last two photos.
 
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A great example. Is the case leather? It sure looks like rubber in the last two photos.

Indeed, yes, rubber 👍🏻


And it’s Carrying Case when in flight

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I have been meaning to take some photographs of this Hamilton 950 from 1927 since back when TexOmega posted his 950 back on June 16th. https://omegaforums.net/threads/calling-all-pocket-watch-buffs.127856/page-203#post-2359235 I'm wearing it today and thought to photograph it and stick it up here.

This Hamilton was acquired during my pocket watch madness of 2021, but we moved during the time so I must have failed to photograph it. Finally photographed it today.

I did service it in fall of 2021 and it's a pleasing timekeeper.



I don't know how to discern if the case could be original to a 1927 Hamilton 16 size watch. The Hamilton Heavy Gothic dial was said to have been introduced in March 1927. At least that is what I uncovered in the NAWCC forum. Isn't this the style known as the "boxcar?"

 
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My reference lists the case as being Hamilton Model A. This model case appears to be from circa 1940, so it is a Hamilton case, just not (seemingly) original to that movement. The “boxcar” dial I have also heard called a “blind man’s” dial. As to the case, it is usually a case with a longer pendant as in this picture of my Hamilton 950. This 950 is shown next to my 950B which is about 25 years newer than the 950 posted by @noelekal . Note the taller pendant on the 950, and shorter pendant on the 950B.



Edited to add that my reference indeed DID NOT indicate the case style was from 1940! The example in my reference has a watch fitted with hands that were peculiar to a later model 950, from circa 1940. It also indicates that the 950 was typically advertised with this very model A case. Likely original to the movement!

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Further to the Hamilton grade 950 posted by @noelekal , I think the seventh digit on the serial number is obscured by the screws on the balance wheel. I took a gamble, deciphered the six digits I could read and added a 5. Then I went to the pocketwatchdatabase site and keyed in s# 2457645, and this was the result:

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/hamilton/2457645

Thereby, the 950 movement posted by @noelekal is much newer than the 950 movement in my collection. It could very well be that the case on the 950 posted by @noelekal is original. The case style on my 950 is an earlier style of case, but the serial number on my 950 movement is a few years earlier.
 
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Further to the Hamilton grade 950 posted by @noelekal , I think the seventh digit on the serial number is obscured by the screws on the balance wheel. I took a gamble, deciphered the six digits I could read and added a 5. Then I went to the pocketwatchdatabase site and keyed in s# 2457645, and this was the result:

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/hamilton/2457645

Thereby, the 950 movement posted by @noelekal is much newer than the 950 movement in my collection. It could very well be that the case on the 950 posted by @noelekal is original. The case style on my 950 is an earlier style of case, but the serial number on my 950 movement is a few years earlier.

You were close Canuck, but close counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades, and watch serial numbers. The serial number is 2457643.

Thanks guys for the information. The possibilities raise the watch's case and dial in my esteem.
 
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You were close Canuck, but close counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades, and watch serial numbers. The serial number is 2457643.

Thanks guys for the information. The possibilities raise the watch's case and dial in my esteem.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Sometimes when you delve a little bit, information often surfaces that adds to the interest of a collectible! With pocket watches, there is so much to find because there is so much to know. But you do have to dig a bit. There are enough of some models of watches that there is one for everyone who wants one. Not so with the 950! And @noelekal has a nice one.

A few years ago, I had an opportunity to own a Hamilton grade 950E. I missed it! Dam! So I’ll just have to satisfy myself with my 950, and my 950B.
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I have been meaning to take some photographs of this Hamilton 950 from 1927 since back when TexOmega posted his 950 back on June 16th. https://omegaforums.net/threads/calling-all-pocket-watch-buffs.127856/page-203#post-2359235 I'm wearing it today and thought to photograph it and stick it up here.

This Hamilton was acquired during my pocket watch madness of 2021, but we moved during the time so I must have failed to photograph it. Finally photographed it today.

I did service it in fall of 2021 and it's a pleasing timekeeper.



I don't know how to discern if the case could be original to a 1927 Hamilton 16 size watch. The Hamilton Heavy Gothic dial was said to have been introduced in March 1927. At least that is what I uncovered in the NAWCC forum. Isn't this the style known as the "boxcar?"

Looking at the case and the movement mount screws it appears to have screw marks in 2 other places, making one suspect a recase.
 
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Looking at the case and the movement mount screws it appears to have screw marks in 2 other places, making one suspect a recase.
My reference indicates that this model “A” case was advertised with the 950 grade movement in it. It anppears ans though another Hamilton movement might have been housed in that case in the past. But it is the correct case for a grade 950.
 
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I have been meaning to take some photographs of this Hamilton 950 from 1927 since back when TexOmega posted his 950 back on June 16th. https://omegaforums.net/threads/calling-all-pocket-watch-buffs.127856/page-203#post-2359235 I'm wearing it today and thought to photograph it and stick it up here.

This Hamilton was acquired during my pocket watch madness of 2021, but we moved during the time so I must have failed to photograph it. Finally photographed it today.

I did service it in fall of 2021 and it's a pleasing timekeeper.



I don't know how to discern if the case could be original to a 1927 Hamilton 16 size watch. The Hamilton Heavy Gothic dial was said to have been introduced in March 1927. At least that is what I uncovered in the NAWCC forum. Isn't this the style known as the "boxcar?"


I like that case design. According to the PW Database, that’s the model A (shoulderless version) that was made in 1948 and later. Does that line up?
 
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I like that case design. According to the PW Database, that’s the model A (shoulderless version) that was made in 1948 and later. Does that line up?
Here is my 922b with the same case though the bow looks a slightly different style est date 1950 and you might note the smaller case serial number.


https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/profile/ghceltd/collection/view/149715

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/hamilton/C299768

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I like that case design. According to the PW Database, that’s the model A (shoulderless version) that was made in 1948 and later. Does that line up?

My Hamilton 950, s# 1664510.

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/hamilton/1664510

I showed my 950 (1927), and my much newer 950B. The contrast between the older long neck case and the newer short neck case are obvious.

@noelekal ‘s 950, s# 2457643.

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/hamilton/2457643

In spite of the difference of approximately 7,000 between the two serial numbers, the pocketwatchdatabase indicates both watches were made in 1927. I showed my 950 earlier in this thread. It has a long neck pendant on the case, and no extra case screw marks. Older cases (apparently) used pendants with a longer neck. Should @noelekal ’s movement have been in a case with a long neck, or is this case correct for his 950? Indeed, a moot subject. But I like his 950!

Here is a cut from my reference which indicates that this case was used on 23-jewel Hamilton 16-size models. It lists the movement in the case has baton hands which were from circa 1940-41.

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/hamilton/2457643
 
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Referring to @DaveK ’s picture of his 992B movement and comparing the location of the case screws to the location of the extra case screw marks on @noelekal ‘s 950 case, it could have been a 992B movement that was originally fitted to the case on @noelekal ‘s Hamilton 950. But I still like it!
 
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Referring to @DaveK ’s picture of his 992B movement and comparing the location of the case screws to the location of the extra case screw marks on @noelekal ‘s 950 case, it could have been a 992B movement that was originally fitted to the case on @noelekal ‘s Hamilton 950. But I still like it!
Yah, I need to add a 950 to my Christmas list
 
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Yah, I need to add a 950 to my Christmas list
Then you’ll need a 950E, and a 950B. Then you’ll need a 962 (I recently missed out on one of those), a 964, or a 966. That is, unless you decide to diversify into hunter cased versions of the above! If you aspire to a 950E, prepare to lose a body part!