Calibre 321 Incoming

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Questions, (may be rhetorical to some) to the proud owners. Would you prefer it with plexi? Or, does the sapphire make this a better Speedmaster?
 
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Questions, (may be rhetorical to some) to the proud owners. Would you prefer it with plexi? Or, does the sapphire make this a better Speedmaster?
I like it as built.
 
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Sorry, a plastic crystal doesn't belong on a $15k watch. Omega knows this, the market knows this, it's only a tiny sliver of people who are obsessed with plastic crystals.
 
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Sorry, a plastic crystal doesn't belong on a $15k watch. Omega knows this, the market knows this, it's only a tiny sliver of people who are obsessed with plastic crystals.

I have watches with both sapphire and acrylic crystals. I'm not "obsessed" with them, so that's a very odd and aggressive comment to make. The fact is the acrylic is just far more legible, without the need for coatings that eventually get marked up. Evry so often I polish them - the watch I wear most I might polish the crystal once a year, so it's not a burden in any way to run some Polywatch over it.
 
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I have watches with both sapphire and acrylic crystals. I'm not "obsessed" with them, so that's a very odd and aggressive comment to make. The fact is the acrylic is just far more legible, without the need for coatings that eventually get marked up. Evry so often I polish them - the watch I wear most I might polish the crystal once a year, so it's not a burden in any way to run some Polywatch over it.

+1 and additionally I could never get over the "milky ring" effect you get with the sapphire crystal on the Speedy (1861). Not sure it is the case with the 321 version!!
 
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+1 and additionally I could never get over the "milky ring" effect you get with the sapphire crystal on the Speedy (1861). Not sure it is the case with the 321 version!!

I don't have a 3861 or 1861 to compare but I don't notice anything on my 321. Sure I read in a review somewhere that there were some underlying differences in the 321 that meant it didn't have this effect.

In terms of sapphire vs acrylic, I don't have an opinion as I've never owned the latter, and frankly I'm too pleased with the 321 that I do have to worry about what else Omega could have done with it. I don't want to taint my ownership by thoughts of "what if"!! This said I'd hope there is room in OF for everyone's individual preferences without us having to resort to aggressive language. After all, Omega make enough watches, so surely there's something in there for everyone 😀
 
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I have watches with both sapphire and acrylic crystals. I'm not "obsessed" with them, so that's a very odd and aggressive comment to make. The fact is the acrylic is just far more legible, without the need for coatings that eventually get marked up. Evry so often I polish them - the watch I wear most I might polish the crystal once a year, so it's not a burden in any way to run some Polywatch over it.
That's because you are in the sliver of buyers/collectors that, for whatever reason, want or like a plastic crystal. Nothing wrong with that, but Omega doesn't position itself any longer (if they ever did) to cater to that small market. You may think it is aggressive, but I stand by my original comment, a plastic crystal doesn't belong on a $15k watch in today's market. Omega produces one Speedmaster watch with a plastic crystal for those that want that old timey feel and look. I have a 3861 with the hesalite crystal because I didn't want to pay an extra thousand dollars for a sapphire crystal, clear back, slightly polished bracelet, and a little different dial. I'm glad Omega at least offers the basic model in hesalite, but I don't think we are going to see any more of them, like a hesalite white dial. As far as the legibility issue, I have both both (six hesalite, six sapphire) and don't have any feeling that the plexi crystal gives any better, or more natural, view than sapphire. That's just me, perhaps, but I suspect most buyers going into a store to look at a Speedmaster for the first time really don't see any difference in the two versions as far as legibility is concerned, they'll most likely spend the extra money for the tougher to mark up sapphire crystal and the clear back. It's business.
 
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You may think it is aggressive, but I stand by my original comment, a plastic crystal doesn't belong on a $15k watch in today's market.

That wasn't what was aggressive, but you know that.
 
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Sorry, a plastic crystal doesn't belong on a $15k watch. Omega knows this, the market knows this, it's only a tiny sliver of people who are obsessed with plastic crystals.

The first part of your comment is opinion; my guess is that the second part is merely deduction. Observation is not causality. Unless you’ve spoken to a higher-up at Omega who stated this, or it was read from a reliable source?
 
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Sorry, a plastic crystal doesn't belong on a $15k watch. Omega knows this, the market knows this, it's only a tiny sliver of people who are obsessed with plastic crystals.

Hey Evitzee stop bad mouthing the holy hesalite, there is so much trouble in the world today, we don`t need another holy war. 😉
 
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There is a place for hesalite, but not on the modern 321, it's a luxury watch. Milky ring is not an issue either for the 321. And it has a ceramic bezel. Total package is good with the saphire sandwich. Hesalite doesn't make any sense on this one.
 
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There is a place for hesalite, but not on the modern 321, it's a luxury watch. Milky ring is not an issue either for the 321. And it has a ceramic bezel. Total package is good with the saphire sandwich. Hesalite doesn't make any sense on this one.

How do you feel about hesalite on a vintage cal. 321 Speedmaster? Not a luxury watch? Doesn’t belong on them either?
 
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Yes that's fine and original. That's why I explicitly said on the modern 321. Believe me hesalite would be out of place on the modern 321 like a saphire would be out of place on the vintage 105.003
 
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Yes that's fine and original. That's why I explicitly said on the modern 321. Believe me hesalite would be out of place on the modern 321 like a saphire would be out of place on the vintage 105.003

From my perspective, since the new Ed White very closely resembles, and was modeled after a 1964 version of a vintage one, I’m at a loss how the acrylic crystal wouldn’t be perfectly fine on the new iteration.
 
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From my perspective, since the new Ed White very closely resembles, and was modeled after a 1964 version of a vintage one, I’m at a loss how the acrylic crystal wouldn’t be perfectly fine on the new iteration.

Agreed. If the new Ed White featured an acrylic crystal I'd be about $17k poorer now.
 
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From my perspective, since the new Ed White very closely resembles, and was modeled after a 1964 version of a vintage one, I’m at a loss how the acrylic crystal wouldn’t be perfectly fine on the new iteration.
Agreed. If the new Ed White featured an acrylic crystal I'd be about $17k poorer now.

I don't think the target audience is exactly the same group of people who specifically wants a vintage Ed White. Does the ceramic bezel not bother either of you? That's another pretty big change.
 
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I don't think the target audience is exactly the same group of people who specifically wants a vintage Ed White. Does the ceramic bezel not bother either of you? That's another pretty big change.

It's not the modern touches to the New Ed White that bother me, but rather the aesthetics in comparison to the optics of an acrylic crystal. I wish every new 3861 Speedmaster included a ceramic bezel -- I think it's awesome. There is a bit of faux patina on the New Ed White that I find mildly bothersome, but it's not so extreme that it alone would preclude a purchase...it's nothing like the faux patina on the Trilogy Speedmaster for example.
 
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If they made an exact 1-1 replica of a 105003 and charged 10k, I'd buy it in a heart beat.

Also, speaking of change, fυck display casebacks. I think they're gimmicky, and ugly. Solid metal is what I want.