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Anyone have any idea what case this dial would belong in? Maybe a 2577?

Could be. There are quite a few references that set-up would fit in from the 50's.

Perhaps I could source a correct case.

Keep your eyes peeled, especially on eBay. Parts like that show up now & again.
 
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Sorry TNT, was responding while you were posting. I think you're one of the most knowledgable on the forum so perhaps I'll rethink recasing it. I do like the design. Thanks.
 
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Thank you all very much for the analysis, appreciate you taking the time. Seems like the consensus is that it's an original dial and I'm excited, have been searching for one for some time. The case, however, is a problem. Seems that most think the dial did not come with the case originally. Anyone have any idea what case this dial would belong in? Maybe a 2577? Perhaps I could source a correct case.
It's a correct case (US made) to go with this dial. Swiss on dial means a Swiss case like ref. 2577 would be wrong.
 
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I stand corrected on viewing the new photos with the polished Crystal. It looks nice and original. What I was seeing was just an artifact of the scratched Crystal. The reflection of the light made it look like a redial where the hardware was not removed.
 
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It's a correct case (US made) to go with this dial. Swiss on dial means a Swiss case like ref. 2577 would be wrong.

I have several 2577's with Swiss and Swiss Made on the dials.
 
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I have several 2577's with Swiss and Swiss Made on the dials.
Then there may be some other parts of the watch not Swiss made. On the other hand, Swiss Made label indicates most if not all of the watch was made in Switzerland.

PS: It could be too early for this rule, if so I will take back my previous statement regarding the 2577 case, but my opinion of the OP's case still stands.
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Then there may be some other parts of the watch not Swiss made. On the other hand, Swiss Made label indicates most if not all of the watch was made in Switzerland.

PS: It could be too early for this rule, if so I will take back my previous statement regarding the 2577 case, but my opinion of the OP's case still stands.


I agree with you on the OP's case and I do believe the 2577 predates the rule of thumb you are referring to. It is one of my favorite references.

OP: Great looking watch after polishing the Crystal! I vote you keep it with the case as the consensus is that it is original and I think pretty cool.
 
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I vote all original. It is possible that the dial was made by a contractor in the USA or Switzerland specifically to match that case. There's a good chance that if it came out of a Ref. 2577, the dial wouldn't fit at all.

BTW, I've never seen an original Ref. 2577 dial that said "Swiss" with serifs like that one.

Here is another Omega in a Star Watch Case.

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http://www.omegaaddict.com/members/display.php?mode=display&watchID=400

Note the dial on this one has "Swiss" and not "Swiss Made". Again this was done for Omega US market watches.

You will not convince this one is a recase. I think the OP's is original also.
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Would like opinions on whether the experts concur this is the same case. Second watch from the left. Thanks yet again.
I took a look at the catalog you referenced. All of the watches you show above are manual wind, which would have a slimmer profile than a bumper automatic.

There is a section in that catalog with just automatic watches, but none of the cases match your original post. All this means is your particular case was not made for the 1955 model year. With US made cases, it's almost impossible to tell what year they were made. The serial number on the movement would indicate a 1954 (or so) made movement, but it may not have been cased until several years later.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here. I see no reason to doubt the originality of the watch.

IMO, It is an all original 1950's US market Omega Automatic. Everything looks good to me, even the buckle.
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I took a look at the catalog you referenced. All of the watches you show above are manual wind, which would have a slimmer profile than a bumper automatic.

There is a section in that catalog with just automatic watches, but none of the cases match your original post. All this means is your particular case was not made for the 1955 model year. With US made cases, it's almost impossible to tell what year they were made. The serial number on the movement would indicate a 1954 (or so) made movement, but it may not have been cased until several years later.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here. I see no reason to doubt the originality of the watch.

It is a 1950's US market Omega Automatic. Everything looks good to me, even the buckle.
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Not trying to prove anything, just enjoy the research. Thanks for the insight. I wish there were more catalogs from this era available, I've had many questions concerning watches from this time period and have experienced dead ends even after heavy digging. Thanks again.
 
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I've had many questions concerning watches from this time period and have experienced dead ends even after heavy digging.
That Norman Morris catalog is a once-in-a-lifetime find by Desmond. It has the extremely rare Syncrobeat in there. The watch had a lot of problems and was later recalled by Omega. It is rumored that there are less than 20 of those in existence.

Most of the older US catalogs were destroyed before Omega bought the business from Mr. Morris in 1980.
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Very nice bumber, what i can seeit looks original. The case im not sure. I have same case with Omega numbers inside on white dial.(trying to find it) and also i have same case from HF factory supposely when they made prototypes for Omega.
 
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Not the same watches. Caliber 501 is the rotor automatic. The OP's watch is a bumper.

Lugs on the case are also different.

You won't find his in AJTT.
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Oh, how did i miss that. I was so focused on dial and bezel that i missed the obvious..
 
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great info. I have a bumper with star case and have been wondering about the recasing for a while. Looks like I don't need to worry any more.