Buying Omega Constellation Pie Pan, Cal. 564

raskolac · Feb 21, 2017

Hi all,

I have been reading these forums for a while, but this is my first time posting. Reading Desmond's "bible" site for Connies has been a tremendous help, as has the various threads on this forum. I'm ready to take the plunge with my first vintage Omega, but I'm still a bit wary as I'm just starting out in vintage. I've been looking for a Cal. 564 in an Constellation "pie-pan" dial for a few months. I think I've found one, but would like to know whether anyone here sees anything inherently wrong with the watch, whether it's a counterfeit case, poor redial quality, etc. The dog-leg lugs look faceted in the right angles, and the flat A's on the dial look to be accurate as well. But any extra input from the forums would be much appreciated. I'd also like to know what the ballpark value is for a pie-pan stainless steel Connie is, as I see a big range online.

Thank you very much!

cristos71 · Feb 21, 2017

A big warning is the 34 million serial number which is around 1972 and seems extremely late for ( I think ) a 168.005. By the 70's the Connies were C shape and the such like.

Also wrong crown and looks like one of the bridges has been replaced.

Ballpark for a good one €1250-1500

shaun hk · Feb 21, 2017

I know nothing about serial number ranges etc but I did notice parts of the movement appear to be different colours.

WatchmakerTheory · Feb 21, 2017

cristos71
A big warning is the 34 million serial number which is around 1972 and seems extremely late for ( I think ) a 168.005. By the 70's the Connies were C shape and the such like.

Also wrong crown and looks like one of the bridges has been replaced.

Ballpark for a good one €1250-1500

Very good observations, serial seems off. As another poster mentioned, movement has parts that seem to have aged differently. My guess is that the movement may be a transplant.

That said, case is very nice. Lugs are sharp and not polished. Only issue is what appears to be a rust spot at 8', may be a big turn-off for some.

Dial is original and looks great; looks like you did your research!

But given the issues above, you may wish to pass on this one.

raskolac · Feb 21, 2017

Wow, thank you all for your input thus far. I missed the serial and the mismatched coloring. I guess that's a couple more things that I'll be looking out for in the future!

I found this on Desmond's site: http://users.tpg.com.au/mondodec//Last_Omega_Constellation_Pie_Pan.pdf
It looks like Omega produced an homage pie-pan Constellation, as late as mid 1970s with a cal. 1011, set for the Japanese market. The images provided in the link look to be similar to the watch I originally posted, which would also explain the peculiar crown.

With that said, what would be the serial range to look for in an original pie-pan Connie?

Edit: in regards to the dial, I noticed that the pictures I provided have the "Chronometer Automatic" and the "Constellation" printing switched, in comparison to the images in the link

Peemacgee · Feb 21, 2017

First of all welcome and compliments on your first post
You did your home work, expressed your opinion and posted the watch for comment

An example to all first time posters !

The Japanese Connie you refer to is IIRC a 168.0065

I can only echo the sentiments above
The movement looks late for a dog-leg
The trouble is that whilst we know first production date of each style there doesn't appear to be a definite guide to an end date - just experience of what folks have seen
And this 'feels' wrong

There is some colour difference in the movement but it could be the images
The rotor looks like the correct later version (notice the round shaping around the central pivot) for this serial

Price - yeah agree with above
Gold Connie prices appear stationery but decent SS are rising
Dome dials dog-legs are currently fetching £800-1000 in the U.K. (Auction/eBay) And pie-pans run at a premium

Hope that helps

raskolac · Feb 21, 2017

Peemacgee
First of all welcome and compliments on your first post
You did your home work, expressed your opinion and posted the watch for comment

An example to all first time posters !

The Japanese Connie you refer to is IIRC a 168.0065

I can only echo the sentiments above
The movement looks late for a dog-leg
The trouble is that whilst we know first production date of each style there doesn't appear to be a definite guide to an end date - just experience of what folks have seen
And this 'feels' wrong

There is some colour difference in the movement but it could be the images
The rotor looks like the correct later version (notice the round shaping around the central pivot) for this serial

Price - yeah agree with above
Gold Connie prices appear stationery but decent SS are rising
Dome dials dog-legs are currently fetching £800-1000 in the U.K. (Auction/eBay) And pie-pans run at a premium

Hope that helps

Thank you for the welcome and compliments, as well as the added input! I appreciate everyones thoughts on this, and I'm most likely going to pass on this one, given what's been covered. Great info here.

Buying Omega Constellation Pie Pan, Cal. 564

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Peemacgee

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