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Buying a a Zenith Defy for my father. A couple of Questions.

  1. WhereMadnessLies Oct 15, 2020

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    Hi,

    I'm hoping the collective hive mind of the Zenith forum will be able to help me. My father is planning on retiring next March and I'd like to buy him a Zenith watch to celebrate. The first “good” watch he purchased was just after he got his first job in the 70's and is one of the classic octagonal Defy. He still wears this to this day (along with a modern Zenith) and he loves it for obvious reasons. Getting him another 70s Zenith feels like quite a fitting gift.

    I've recently been on the lookout for a nice Zenith to get him and a dealer that I have dealt with before has sent me photos of this, a supposedly NOS Zenith Defy 01-0050-345 (01-8050-345 on the hang tag, guessing the 8050 indicates the leather strap?).

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    Now, I am always suspicious when people say things are NOS but this chap is a good guy and I've dealt with him a number of times and he's been excellent. I do have a couple of questions though:

    1. Does anyone know if having a 28800vph movement in this ref is correct? All of ones of this ref I've been able to find online seem to indicate they are a high beat 36000vph*.
    2. Is this sort of wear on the stickers something common with NOS Zenith watches? Wouldn't the stickers be all in one piece?
    3. Is the day disk in these multi language? i.e. does it have English day abbreviations as well?
    Many Thanks,

    WML

    *The watch is going to be opened by a watch maker and serviced in the next couple of days so we may know more then, currently all I have to go on is the hang tag.
     
  2. Dan S Oct 15, 2020

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    I would just say, try not to worry too much about the condition of the hang-tags or focus on the NOS designation, which is meaningless to me. Just decide if you like the watch. A NOS watch can be pretty beat up if it has been treated roughly over the years in storage, and a one-owner watch can be totally pristine. So nobody can answer question #2 for you.

    The other questions will obviously be answered by the watchmaker.
     
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  3. wristpirate Oct 15, 2020

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    There's not too much material available on the 1970s Defys. If you are gifting for it to be worn I would not overly concern myself on the issues you mentioned.

    Regarding inconsistencies with others you might find, I have come to believe these watches and similar models were eventually sold off from the store rooms when the company was in need of cash. So some may have been put together in an attempt to get full watches completed. This is just my opinion.
     
  4. Medinatalzahra Oct 15, 2020

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    I will add that the strap and buckle look to be original.

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  5. WhereMadnessLies Oct 16, 2020

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    Thanks for the input chaps. I'll hopefully hear back soon about the movement inside.
     
  6. Badhabit59 Oct 26, 2020

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    One sharp looking watch! Really like that linen dial. If I may be so bold as to ask, for reference purposes only, what is the asking price?
     
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  7. WhereMadnessLies Oct 26, 2020

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    Just a little update; I ended up not going for it as there weren't any English days on the day wheel (Not that that would bother me but I don't think my father would like it).

    Yes, the watch is very sharp. The dealer wanted £625 for it which I didn't think was too bad considering the condition of it and that it would come fully serviced and guaranteed. No doubt there would have been some wriggle room in that price as well but I didn't explore this as I had decided not to purchase it.
     
  8. ssb101 Jan 1, 2021

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    Hi my Defy 01-0170-346 20201230_143929.jpg says Hello and the non English datewheel never bothered me but I find the defy models so good
     
  9. Rado63 Feb 20, 2021

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    You didn't mention the references your Dad already owns. What about a Defy classic. the watch comes on steel bracelet, leather, or rubber. Also easy to read the time.