Buyer Beware: Fake Singer Logo On Speedmaster Dial

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mikeinbrum

·Oct 21, 2023

I was offered the following speedmaster dial for £500 recently which I turned down as it had a slight bend and some of the paint required touch-up.

I have now seen what I am absolutely certain is the same dial on eBay which has has been re-lumed (fair enough) but what astounded me was that a fake Singer logo has been embossed on the reverse. I am absolutely positive that the dial did not have this Singer stamp.

The “faked-up” dial:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374990549181

 

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Dash1

·Oct 21, 2023

I don’t think that’s a fake Singer stamp. They can be very hard to see without magnification so you probably just missed it the first time. It’s a shame the seller didn’t mention the re lume though.

 

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Tony C.

·Oct 21, 2023·Ωf Jury member

Those do not appear to be the same dials, as the backs appear to be different.

Therefore, no reason to believe that the Singer stamp is not genuine.

 

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mikeinbrum

·Oct 21, 2023

See the matching marks to the sub-register dials. It is the same piece.

The rear has been sandpapered/polished/scraped to change the finish.

 

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Evitzee

·Oct 21, 2023

That Singer stamp doesn't appear new, perhaps the wrong pic of the back was used in the ad.

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Oct 21, 2023·Thanks, mystery donor!

@Tony C. and @Evitzee I think that the same dial is depicted in both sets (front and back) of photos. I have highlighted a number of consistent markings below.

 

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size11s

·Oct 21, 2023

Yep, same dial for sure.

 

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Pahawi

·Oct 21, 2023

Same dial - I believe I can see shadows of the logo on the "before" pic, so that sandpaper/polish/scrape work just made the logo visible....

 

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Tony C.

·Oct 21, 2023·Ωf Jury member

DirtyDozen12

I think that the same dial is depicted in both sets (front and back) of photos. I have highlighted a number of consistent markings below.

Thank you, but from where was the bottom right photo taken?

 

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Scarecrow Boat

·Oct 21, 2023·Burt Macklin, FBI

Tony C.

Thank you, but from where was the bottom right photo taken?

That photo is found in the ebay listing linked in the OP.

 

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Tony C.

·Oct 21, 2023·Ωf Jury member

Apparently they are the same. As I know little on the topic, is the SINGER stamp itself inconsistent with genuine examples?

 

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Archer

·Oct 21, 2023·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

Pahawi

Same dial - I believe I can see shadows of the logo on the "before" pic, so that sandpaper/polish/scrape work just made the logo visible....

Yes, the Singer marking was there all along...