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Strange Speedmaster -69ST on the bay - buyer beware?

  1. Matt P Sep 10, 2018

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  2. speedamatuer Sep 10, 2018

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    Seems to be a poorly relumed service dial, service hands and the bezel is some sort of horror show... A 90s bezel made to look like a DON maybe? Has the accent on the E and dot under seventy... Serial is low, looks like a mish mash of service parts, an old case and movement that didn't leave the factory together and a modified or fake bezel.
     
  3. Davidt Sep 10, 2018

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    Looks like a franken. I don't think it's a service dial. Looks like a full on redial to me.
     
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  4. rcs914 Sep 10, 2018

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    The bezel is 100% fake (DON and DUN 70 = fake), and I believe the dial could be too. The ridges in the subdials are really pronounced, and the printing all over looks like crap, including the Omega logo. It's possible that it just looks that way due to the potato of a camera they are using, but at the very least the long indices indicate that it was created to deceive - possibly a full redial. The lack of step and lack of "T's" show that maybe it is a service dial, if not an outright fake. Also a 27XXXXXX serial? Wouldn't that be a 145.012?
     
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  5. speedamatuer Sep 10, 2018

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    A closer look at the sub dials makes me think you're onto something...
     
  6. dan7800 Sep 10, 2018

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    But the seller claims: "As far as we can tell everything’s original on this nice example of reference 145.022 69 including the crystal with the Omega watermark."

    You all MUST be wrong....
     
  7. dennisthemenace Hey, he asked for it! Sep 10, 2018

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    A total put-together. 27m serial with 18 jewels and plastic brake?
    The bezel insert can be found on ebay for around £20.
     
  8. rcs914 Sep 10, 2018

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    I flagged it. It's a POS that's being misrepresented at best, and has definite fake parts.
     
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  9. Dan S Sep 10, 2018

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    I would be interested to know more about how this seller acquires his watches. He has a large inventory, but most of them are messed up in one way or another, and his ability to identify the issues seems very haphazard. It's as if he just buys any piece of crap that crosses his path and then puts it on eBay and hopes for the best. Some of his watches are actually ok, but how could you have any confidence in his listings?
     
  10. abrod520 Sep 10, 2018

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    This is one of those famous California Special fakes. They've updated their listing with new photos but it's the same old tricks. Please report it
     
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  11. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Sep 10, 2018

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    The bushing is no longer available so it’s not unheard of for the 18th jewel....

    But yeah the piece is a nightmare.
     
  12. kingsrider Thank you Sir! May I have another? Sep 10, 2018

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    Nothing so underhanded going on here. I have spoken with this guy. He lives near by so I thought we might have a GTG. He is just kind of going his own way price wise. I think he is a little naive.
     
  13. abrod520 Sep 10, 2018

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    Maybe he bought one of those fakes then and is trying to sell it on, but this is definitely one of them
     
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  14. kingsrider Thank you Sir! May I have another? Sep 10, 2018

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    More likely scenario. :thumbsup:
     
  15. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Sep 10, 2018

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    You can't by the coupling bridge with the bushing in it now - they all come with the one jewel. However the bushing is still available...

    72200006177 | BUSHING
     
  16. padders Oooo subtitles! Sep 10, 2018

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    Umm it is still pretty underhand. If the watch is a put together of fake and wrong parts and you told him so then how is he not dishonest in claiming it is all original?
     
  17. kingsrider Thank you Sir! May I have another? Sep 10, 2018

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    I never told him anything about this watch any of the others he has had. We just had a nice conversation about our collections a year or so ago.
     
  18. padders Oooo subtitles! Sep 10, 2018

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    Ok well that is different, from what you posted, I assumed you had spoken with him about this particular watch but I am still reluctant to credit ebay sellers with too much naivety these days.
     
  19. kingsrider Thank you Sir! May I have another? Sep 10, 2018

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  20. abrod520 Sep 10, 2018

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