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Breaking News: The New Steel Speedmaster With Caliber 321 “Ed White”

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I’m not following here, gents.

@Jakemeister1000 ’s comment is in response to me deducing that there are 2000-2500 321 movements total since January 2019 - which would rather suggest up to ~850 per year (between both platinum and NEW321)

So I do not follow the suggestion of a few thousand per year?

I would assume there were comparatively few made until July 2020 when the steel started to get released rather than a linear production rate since the announcement.

if you take the 887’s as an example they are now more or less at 2000. I suspect the vast majority have been placed in the 321 steel since production of that model started.

It’s not an exact science, but mine (feb 2021) ends 974. Jakes from October 2021 ends 1900 ish. Extrapolate that across the year and you won’t be too far away from 2000 watches in 2021 - maybe more like 17/1800 assuming a linear rate of production across the year.

Of course, none of us really know but I suspect that the production has ramped up in the last year in comparison to immediately post the 321 being initially announced.
 
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It’s not an exact science, but mine (feb 2021) ends 974. Jakes from October 2021 ends 1900 ish. Extrapolate that across the year and you won’t be too far away from 2000 watches in 2021 - maybe more like 17/1800 assuming a linear rate of production across the year.

Perhaps; I most whole-heartedly agree that it’s far from a good way to extrapolate production rate.

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I suspect the vast majority have been placed in the 321 steel since production of that model started.

This of course might be true, but I take this as a good example where it’s far from clear.

One advantage to not having a numbered LE is that Omega can throttle and allocate production variably, as is most convenient/profitable.

And, the profit on a platinum watch is - if I remember the data I’ve seen anywhere near correctly - something like 2-4X the profit realized on a stainless steel model.

So, if I were Omega, I would be filling every platinum watch order before even contemplating reaching for a SS case.

So while I understand and to a degree intuit that Omega is casing *more* SS NEW321s than platinums, I would be completely unsurprised if it turned out - despite intuition - to not be the case. I certainly wouldn’t be surprised to find that that there are not a “vast majority” being cased.

Again, I hear you, and lean toward your same conclusion - but have a deep skepticism that my intuitions here are reliable, especially when a platinum watch is typically far more profitable to Omega than a SS watch. (A NEW321 could be an exception, but only partially.)


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Of course, none of us really know but I suspect that the production has ramped up in the last year in comparison to immediately post the 321 being initially announced.


Here, if we use the (again admittedly poor) data of OF reports of receipt directly from OB/AD, we might reach the opposite conclusion: in this past/second year there has been a relative dribble of receipts, compared to the first year of production. Based on that (imperfect) data, it does not seem that more NEW321s are being produced, but instead fewer.

Here again though, not to disagree with your otherwise reasonable inference, but to play devils advocate at just how wildly imperfect our inferences are.
 
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mine (feb 2021) ends 974. Jakes from October 2021 ends 1900 ish

BTW, mine was delivered Dec. 26th 2000 (received by OB Dec. 23rd) and ends 728

I believe we’ll need a project of graphing the delivery dates (only from OB/AD) and movement numbers to see the trends, and ideally folding in platinums as well!
 
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Well, how many incoming platinums have we seen around here? 👎

Off the top of my head, I can recount two, maybe 3. Did I miss many along the way?

Edit: and as of today, there only seem to be two on C24.
My wild guess is that there are no more than 6-8 Pt watches that come to the US each year, but that is obviously only a wild guess. 😎
Edited:
 
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Well, how many incoming platinums have we seen around here? 👎

Off the top of my head, I can recount two, maybe 3. Did I miss many along the way?

Edit: and as of today, there only seem to be two on C24.
My wild guess is that there are no more than 6-8 Pt watches that come to the US each year, but that is obviously only a wild guess. 😎

You’re of course potentially completely correct. For my contrary (or skeptical) thinking Thr thing is, I don’t see omegaforums attract or banter as much about things like a platinum modern $60,000 watch. To the extent folks around here have these or similar watches, it doesn’t get discussed as much.

Point being, I wouldn’t be surprised if (1) people who are on omegaforums and own a platinum aren’t as inclined to announce and/or talk about it as much, and (2) folks with platinums aren’t as likely to be on omegaforums in the first place.

As a result, I was sort of assuming that the extent of discussions on omegaforums about the platinum are potentially even less telling than the extent of discussions of NEW321s. 😁

But it possibly is telling how many fewer there are on C24 than compared to NEW321s?
 
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You’re of course potentially completely correct. For my contrary (or skeptical) thinking Thr thing is, I don’t see omegaforums attract or banter as much about things like a platinum modern $60,000 watch. To the extent folks around here have these or similar watches, it doesn’t get discussed as much.

Point being, I wouldn’t be surprised if (1) people who are on omegaforums and own a platinum aren’t as inclined to announce and/or talk about it as much, and (2) folks with platinums aren’t as likely to be on omegaforums in the first place.

As a result, I was sort of assuming that the extent of discussions on omegaforums about the platinum are potentially even less telling than the extent of discussions of NEW321s. 😁

But it possibly is telling how many fewer there are on C24 than compared to NEW321s?

That’s what I love about omegaforums; it’s not about showing off your pricey purchases.

If you do want to see unashamedly direct communications regarding the purchase of costly timepieces then go search for any number of “Incoming…” threads on the rolexforum Patel sub forum.
 
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887004xx here. 4xx > 450

Mind sharing (1) if you bought from directly (ie from an OB or AD) and (2) the date you took delivery?
 
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Mind sharing (1) if you bought from directly (ie from an OB or AD) and (2) the date you took delivery?

Bought grey, but it came from an OB in east Asia. Dec 2020.
 
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Om3ga321 Om3ga321
888001## for mine.
My favourite WATCH.

HEY! An 888X!

Can you please share when you received yours, and if you received it directly from an AD/OB?
 
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HEY! An 888X!
well there you have it, your prior observations now confirmed beyond any doubt! 👍

I'm still trying to figure out the "why" behind launching 321-based units with two base SNs... 🤔
 
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gennaio 2021 sn 887005XX

fine ottobre 2021 sn 887025XX

PENSO da più di 2000 anni
 
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gennaio 2021 sn 887005XX

fine ottobre 2021 sn 887025XX

PENSO da più di 2000 anni

Interesting! Mine was delivered in December of 2020, with 8870078X, so it is unclear how many we should attribute to 2021 vs 2020 production/sale

Interessante! Il mio è stato consegnato a dicembre del 2020, con 8870078X, quindi non è chiaro quanti dovremmo attribuire alla produzione/vendita del 2021 rispetto al 2020
 
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Horoticus Horoticus
I just picked mine up and must say it wears beautifully on my 7" wrist. Love. It. And it is part of the 887 club.

Congratulation, Horoticus. Enjoy!
 
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...Mine was delivered in December of 2020, with 8870078X, so it is unclear how many we should attribute to 2021 vs 2020 production/sale...
Mine in Apr 2021 with 887008XX 😀

#Speedytuesday!
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Mine in Apr 2021 with 887008XX 😀

#Speedytuesday!

See that’s interesting, our deliveries were 4 mo the apart but our sn are less than 100 apart, indicating that there’s - what - maybe some lag in disproportionate legs of distribution?
 
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Mine in Apr 2021 with 887008XX 😀

#Speedytuesday!
51684072851_019f33e4c1_c.jpg
That is such a gorgeous shot 🥰 👍
 
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See that’s interesting, our deliveries were 4 mo the apart but our sn are less than 100 apart, indicating that there’s - what - maybe some lag in disproportionate legs of distribution?

Mine is Feb 2021 with 887008XX
 
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