bizarre story of a 145.022-68st

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Hello,
I am looking for a transition speedmaster and this led me to discuss with a non-professional salesperson.

Here is the story he tells me about his watch :

I bought the Speedie in 1969 at the Hölscher jeweler in Nordhorn for 1,200 German marks. A short time after the purchase, I replaced the leather bracelet with an original Omega steel bracelet (100 D-Mark).
At that time the price was more than 2 months' salary!
After buying it, I wore the watch every day for about 10 years. Since the plexiglass was damaged I bought a quartz watch and the Speedie was put in the safe of a bank. After around 30 years I had the Speedie overhauled and repaired by the master watchmaker at the Kolkmeyer watch shop in Osnabrück (website: http: //***.******.***). Here the plexiglass was renewed. Around two years ago, the master watchmaker at the Hungeling watch shop in Nordhorn opened the watch to read out the data (website: http: //***.******.***).
>> Read-out data (photo): Ref.-No. 145 022 - 68 ST - Caliber: Omega 861
• All parts of the Speedie are original parts (Plexiglas?)!
• The clock is very accurate
(Deviations in seconds within the framework of the norm)!
• All functions of the watch are OK!
• I never opened the watch myself!
I therefore do not have any photos of the inside.
I hope I have served you with this information!


there are several points that seem doubtful to me:
1) leather strap in 1969 ?!? 😒

2) he forgets to say that the crown and pushers have been changed


3) the hesalite logo seems to be much older than it says 21669322-4ts0iazh24zqvmjod94948v2-ExtraLarge.jpg

I become quite suspicious when there are elements which do not correspond to what we can observe.
I asked for a control photo with my name written next to the watch.
the fact of not having a photo of the mechanism seems prohibitive to me

what is your opinion ?
 
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1 yes, why not?

2 how and why exactly a normal person should know, those parts are regularly swapped during a service for WR. Not everyone is a collector...

3 maybe is was replaced, but with an older crystal that was in stock?

Honestly I don't see anything obviously wrong here. Probably just an ordinary guy who had a costly watch looked after, and discovering now that it is still valuable and collectible. You should see how these watches were treated 20 years ago... Nobody cared about older or newer logos, original oem parts, etc...

There is always a risk, but no obvious red flag in what he said, in my opinion.
 
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Hello,
I am looking for a transition speedmaster and this led me to discuss with a non-professional salesperson.

Here is the story he tells me about his watch :

I bought the Speedie in 1969 at the Hölscher jeweler in Nordhorn for 1,200 German marks. A short time after the purchase, I replaced the leather bracelet with an original Omega steel bracelet (100 D-Mark).
At that time the price was more than 2 months' salary!
After buying it, I wore the watch every day for about 10 years. Since the plexiglass was damaged I bought a quartz watch and the Speedie was put in the safe of a bank. After around 30 years I had the Speedie overhauled and repaired by the master watchmaker at the Kolkmeyer watch shop in Osnabrück (website: http: //***.******.***). Here the plexiglass was renewed. Around two years ago, the master watchmaker at the Hungeling watch shop in Nordhorn opened the watch to read out the data (website: http: //***.******.***).
>> Read-out data (photo): Ref.-No. 145 022 - 68 ST - Caliber: Omega 861
• All parts of the Speedie are original parts (Plexiglas?)!
• The clock is very accurate
(Deviations in seconds within the framework of the norm)!
• All functions of the watch are OK!
• I never opened the watch myself!
I therefore do not have any photos of the inside.
I hope I have served you with this information!


there are several points that seem doubtful to me:
1) leather strap in 1969 ?!? 😒

2) he forgets to say that the crown and pushers have been changed


3) the hesalite logo seems to be much older than it says 21669322-4ts0iazh24zqvmjod94948v2-ExtraLarge.jpg

I become quite suspicious when there are elements which do not correspond to what we can observe.
I asked for a control photo with my name written next to the watch.
the fact of not having a photo of the mechanism seems prohibitive to me

what is your opinion ?

You don't like? You don't buy. Never buy a watch you need to explain to yourself or others. Kind regards. Achim
 
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excellent advice
discussing with experienced people allows you to learn and grow on your vision
 
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How much is it is the only question you should ask.
7500€
whether it is expensive or not for this model, it is still a large sum that we do not want to lose
 
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Buy the watch, not the story. It's a nice old speedy with some service parts. Up to you if it's worth the asking price.
 
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Speedmasters were available on leather straps in the '60s. As for everything else, it looks like a nice example of a -68 that's been serviced. Maybe the price is a little high considering you'd have to go find a period-correct crown but not by much IMO
 
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a transition, brown dial, don, applied logo more than compensate those crown and pushers which can be restored later on. imo.😉
 
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Case is a little soft, but overall it looks pretty good to me. I would like to see better photos of the dial so that I can distinguish between artifacts from the crystal and possible dial damage (e.g white spots around the 8 o'clock lume plot).
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Well, at least he is lying about the price. In 1970 a speedmaster was 525,- DM 😉


 
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I should point out, if you are buying this to wear and enjoy, there is really no practical reason to find and install period crown and pushers.

Collectors aside, nobody else will know or care. They are appropriate parts for a watch that omega serviced at a later date.
 
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What’s bizarre?
 
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I forget where I heard it, maybe a stand up comedian in Toronto, he did a parody of this song called “church bazaar”
 
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Thanks for the trip down memory lane, I always liked that song! Might have something t do with that girl. 😉