Best and durable Omega movement now?

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I can’t help but think Omega simply wanted to get something Rolex didn’t have/couldn’t get and I think that’s a shame. They should’ve focused on innovation where it provided a real benefit and had faith in the brand and product.

same with Rolex by the way… their new movements are silly also and are resulting in a large number of issues apparently.
 
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Wow, it's like these are all small mechanical machines that wear differently, wear different components, are built to perform similar functions extremely well but have unique proclivities among themselves and even their like counterparts, and require periodic service to maintain their best performance.
 
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Thank you for posting photos with movements!
Every movement has negatives.

However, I've heard: if your Rolex runs +3 sec per day and a customer wants +2sec per day. Independent watchmakers say ok and they could make it.
I have never heard the same for Omega. I am sure that Archer and Deafcon could confirm that or not.

I agree, I should save a bit and get a Rolex, but I do like Omegas as well.
Omega makes very good watches and it's all very confusing with this escapement and whether its in-house or not in-house, but we always have something to discuss and they try to get close to Rolex as much as they could...
Once again, I would like to say thank you to watchmakers for sharing their thoughts and views.
 
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However, I've heard: if your Rolex runs +3 sec per day and a customer wants +2sec per day. Independent watchmakers say ok and they could make it.
I have never heard the same for Omega. I am sure that Archer and Deafcon could confirm that or not.

That's just regulation - any watch can be regulated. It's not specific to Rolex...
 
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Every movement has negatives.

I hear a "yes, but" statement in the making. 😗

However, I've heard: if your Rolex runs +3 sec per day and a customer wants +2sec per day. Independent watchmakers say ok and they could make it.

and there it is. "Yes, however..."

So I'll re-iterate:


I agree, I should save a bit and get a Rolex...


YES, you should. If you believe Rolex is the best there is then you should just save up and get the Rolex.

and they try to get close to Rolex as much as they could...
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No fact or piece of data seems likely to stand in the way of your opinion, aff? The one power that Rolex undeniably has is branding power.

Buy the Rolex.
 
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Or find a proper and capable independent watchmaker to work on your lowly Omegas. My late-1960s cal. 861, early-2000s cal. 1861, and mid-1990s cal. 1164 all function within <+1/<- 1 spd after regulation and service by an independent.

This is just a ridiculous discussion, really.
 
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Delta is more important. How about a delta of 1 over 6 positions?
 
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Empirically, I have found that Rolex watches continue to run for decades without being serviced. ::stirthepot::
Sundials are even better than Rolex. They run for centuries. Terrible resale value though.
 
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Sundials are even better than Rolex. They run for centuries. Terrible resale value though.

We have one in our garden. No problems with water resistance.
 
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That's just regulation - any watch can be regulated. It's not specific to Rolex...

Could we actually do the regulation quickly? How long does it take? Days? Weeks?
Am I correct, that after adjustment you need to put it on your wrist and to test for a few days?

If any watch can be regulated, then why it's so hard to achieve even on good movements from the beginning? Time problems?

I am not sure whether it's possible with basic ETA movements or basic Japanese Mov or it's the same?, because I often hear it's a maximum for that movement, e.g. if you have +4 - you are very lucky (basic movements)
 
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Could we actually do the regulation quickly? How long does it take? Days? Weeks?
Am I correct, that after adjustment you need to put it on your wrist and to test for a few days?

If any watch can be regulated, then why it's so hard to achieve even on good movements from the beginning? Time problems?

I am not sure whether it's possible with basic ETA movements or basic Japanese Mov or it's the same?, because I often hear it's a maximum for that movement, e.g. if you have +4 - you are very lucky (basic movements)
Where are you getting this stuff from? 😕👎😕
 
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Interesting approach, trying to get to 200 in one thread. It might work too at this rate, you lost my interest a while back though.
 
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What do you mean exactly?
That your posts seem to be somewhat misinformed.
 
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That your posts seem to be somewhat misinformed.

I got my simpl Seiko after service and I was told by watchmaker that I am very lucky to get this accuracy (it was a lot better than before). It they opened it gain (dust under dial) they could not guarantee the same accuracy after that.

My Speedmaster 4.2 sec per day and for my question is it possible to make it better the answer was there is no reason to open the case back.
That's why I asked questions.. what is wrong with asking?
 
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I got my simpl Seiko after service and I was told by watchmaker that I am very lucky to get this accuracy (it was a lot better than before). It they opened it gain (dust under dial) they could not guarantee the same accuracy after that.

My Speedmaster 4.2 sec per day and for my question is it possible to make it better the answer was there is no reason to open the case back.
That's why I asked questions.. what is wrong with asking?
Nothing wrong with asking.
 
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So we go from "Which Omega movement is best?" to "Well, Rolex is best.", to "Yeah, they're all pretty good." To "But, but my Seiko isn't that good!"

My Seamaster is less than +2 spd most days and may run up to +3 spd and cost me nothing and no extra time out of my life. This is a mass-produced watch with a production movement.

My other Omegas were carefully regulated after the required periodic service in accordance with standard practices and instructions so it cost me nothing extra and no time out of my life.
 
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So we go from "Which Omega movement is best?" to "Well, Rolex is best.", to "Yeah, they're all pretty good." To "But, but my Seiko isn't that good!"

My Seamaster is less than +2 spd most days and may run up to +3 spd and cost me nothing and no extra time out of my life. This is a mass-produced watch with a production movement.

My other Omegas were carefully regulated after the required periodic service in accordance with standard practices and instructions so it cost me nothing extra and no time out of my life.

You don't get me!
You are talking from your perspective and you think this is what it is.
I am talking from my perspective and it's different.

I purchased Hamilton watches and they run within -2 to +3spd - no point to lie that's real!
It means the watch could be within just 1 minute per month. Even for 2 months you don't need to reset them.
I had and have Omegas and they don't run like this. That's why I am asking for reliability, for accuracy. I like the brand but I don't see performance... both in reliability and accuracy. I don't see any benefit. That's why I am asking normal questions like is it possible to regulate it better?
Ok, imagine you have 6 watches. 4 of them costs not more than $2k each once. You have an Omegas that costs thousands more and they are less accurate. How do you feel then? I have to mention not 1 Omega.
 
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As an anecdotal piece of data my 8400 hasn't been adjusted (I haven't had the crown out to manually adjust it) since May 18th and it was one second fast yesterday. One second. It's a 2016 and has never been serviced.

I don't even understand what your obsession with accuracy is if you're talking about a watch that you were going to wear two or three times a month at most.

You don't get me!
You are talking from your perspective and you think this is what it is.
I am talking from my perspective and it's different.

I purchased Hamilton watches and they run within -2 to +3spd - no point to lie that's real!
It means the watch could be within just 1 minute per month. Even for 2 months you don't need to reset them.
I had and have Omegas and they don't run like this. That's why I am asking for reliability, for accuracy. I like the brand but I don't see performance... both in reliability and accuracy. I don't see any benefit. That's why I am asking normal questions like is it possible to regulate it better?
Ok, imagine you have 6 watches. 4 of them costs not more than $2k each once. You have an Omegas that costs thousands more and they are less accurate. How do you feel then? I have to mention not 1 Omega.
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Ok, imagine you have 6 watches. 4 of them costs not more than $2k each once. You have an Omegas that costs thousands more and they are less accurate. How do you feel then?

I feel lucky that my cheaper watches are running so well...