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Bernardini 100 UG event in Milano
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LouS
··Mrs Nataf's Other SonThis seems to be another example of white letters on black dial with gilt? Or is it just the Color faded so much that it looks white?
http://www.casowatches.com/store/cm...32&LANGUAGE=2&CATALOG_ID=1&LEVEL=0&STORE_ID=1
Yep, I agree. I checked a few other examples of RLM Compurs - they are all the same.
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LouS
··Mrs Nataf's Other SonHere is something remarkable. Has anyone seen a UG waterproof case earlier than this?
Ref 7071
Case 685xxx
Ref 7071
Case 685xxx
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Mlafra
·I do know of a legit Compax, Ref 7075, with high pressure case (same/similr case as Vetta Ermeticos and Bovet mono-rattrapantes) which dates 1937/1938, hence probably consistent with this serial more or less.
Would be interesting to see the last three digits of the serial to see if they match the three digits engraved under the lug, as this should always be the case with these high pressure cases.
Would be interesting to see the last three digits of the serial to see if they match the three digits engraved under the lug, as this should always be the case with these high pressure cases.
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rolokr
·I do know of a legit Compax, Ref 7075, with high pressure case (same/similr case as Vetta Ermeticos and Bovet mono-rattrapantes) which dates 1937/1938, hence probably consistent with this serial more or less.
Would be interesting to see the last three digits of the serial to see if they match the three digits engraved under the lug, as this should always be the case with these high pressure cases.
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Mlafra
·FRANKEN ???
The Bernardini one I honestly dont know, that dial rises a few concerns if you ask me, but the case back looks original UG (if you go on their website you see other pictures as well) but to see if it belongs to that case you would need to know the whole serial number to see if the last 3 digits correspond to the ones engraved below the lugs. if they do then I would say that the case is legit. If they don't....well no more to say I guess 😉
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rolokr
·Which one? The one Bernardini had or the one I mentioned? The one I mentioned is not a franken for sure, it is original, just very rare.
The Bernardini one I honestly dont know, that dial rises a few concerns if you ask me, but the case back looks original UG (if you go on their website you see other pictures as well) but to see if it belongs to that case you would need to know the whole serial number to see if the last 3 digits correspond to the ones engraved below the lugs. if they do then I would say that the case is legit. If they don't....well no more to say I guess 😉
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Mlafra
·The Ref 7075 I mentioned is a Compax (3 registers), not a Uni-Compax. And it comes in a high pressure case. Why do you think it cannot be right?
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·Yes, I met Compax, find another example of UG Compax with this same case for comparison, then maybe I'll believe it's not a Franken !
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·Yes, I met Compax, find another example of UG Compax with this same case for comparison, then maybe I'll believe it's not a Franken !
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rolokr
·T themouseSo every watch you have never seen before in your life is a Franken? So this is culture or are just opinions? The more I read this forum and the more i'I confused. Everyone gives opinion but only Dre and Mlafra gave punctual info. At the beginning of this discussion somebody wrote the dial of the white gold calendar looks refinished whitout explaining why he says that. Few comments later somebody wrote the Space Compax is fake but on chronomania forum there is an official letter from Universal Geneve where is written that kind of case is ok. So.. Are we sharing culture or what? I'm getting more and more confused
T themouseSo every watch you have never seen before in your life is a Franken? So this is culture or are just opinions? The more I read this forum and the more i'I confused. Everyone gives opinion but only Dre and Mlafra gave punctual info. At the beginning of this discussion somebody wrote the dial of the white gold calendar looks refinished whitout explaining why he says that. Few comments later somebody wrote the Space Compax is fake but on chronomania forum there is an official letter from Universal Geneve where is written that kind of case is ok. So.. Are we sharing culture or what? I'm getting more and more confused
You bring out the fact that the white gold TDM is a redial in our opinion, I have 4 UG TDM in my collection to compare it to, as well as ALL of the images on the web ! There is not a SINGLE example of a UG TDM without the ring in the months register ? If it is ORIGINAL it is the only one I've seen in 40 years that was printed like that !
Also, most of the time in the day of the month register is in red print. The registers for the day and seconds usually have grooves, this Milan example they are SMOOTH, this almost always means REDIAL IMHO ! Also, for the age of this dial, it is TOO clean for a 70 year old dial IMHO ? This is one from my collection, ORIGINAL, this is probably what this dial was supposed to look like ?
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rolokr
·Looking at the examples of 42 m.m.UG Polerouter Sub in the Milan sale, they are all Australian fakes IMHO ???
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LaurentBxl
·Looking at the examples of 42 m.m.UG Polerouter Sub in the Milan sale, they are all Australian fakes IMHO ???
Well this is the only watch I know well enough to comment on, and yes they are well documented fakes, with very crude cases and worn caliber inside, and i’m amazed they are proposed for sale without warning at such a high price. And to answer the Mouse, I will keep valuating this forum’s opinion before everything else because a few members here are kind enough to share their deep knowledge without anything in return, so big thank to them.
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ELV web
·T themouseSo every watch you have never seen before in your life is a Franken? So this is culture or are just opinions? The more I read this forum and the more i'I confused. Everyone gives opinion but only Dre and Mlafra gave punctual info. At the beginning of this discussion somebody wrote the dial of the white gold calendar looks refinished whitout explaining why he says that. Few comments later somebody wrote the Space Compax is fake but on chronomania forum there is an official letter from Universal Geneve where is written that kind of case is ok. So.. Are we sharing culture or what? I'm getting more and more confused
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LouS
··Mrs Nataf's Other SonLou, so you think this case is original to the dial and movement ? Does not look like any Compax case marking I have ever seen by UG ? 7075 ? What about the markings for the Compur 7071 black dial ?
Well, I haven't seen the dial, so I can't say about that but there is nothing implausible about Mlafra' s description. Compaxes have been documented in this reference and serial number range, and the case markings are similar. Here is a 7065 and a 7074 from Ore del Mondo a few years ago.
I do also notice that the UG style of printing is essentially established in these models, and it does NOT include a double ("Railroad") track on the subdials, like the one at Bernardini, so I am pretty skeptical about that dial.
@Mlafra : you will see that the lug numbers match the serial
bernardini dial:
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rolokr
·Thanks Lou, I've never seen this case by UG, awesome to gain knowledge from your posts on these RARE waterproof UG references !
I've trolled the web, where did you find this information and pictures ?
I've trolled the web, where did you find this information and pictures ?
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LouS
··Mrs Nataf's Other SonThanks Lou, I've never seen this case by UG, awesome to gain knowledge from your posts on these RARE waterproof UG references !
I've trolled the web, where did you find this information and pictures ?
This is where the database comes in handy. These are from early 2015.
