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kingsrider
·This is what I thought of a piepan. If the OP model is I’m good with that. That is an amazing example you have
Asking for help about a Pie-Pan Constellation
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killer67
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hoipolloi
··Vintage Omega ConnoisseurNot mine unfortunately.
This one is better
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MSNWatch
··Vintage Omega AficionadoThis is an 18k rose gold version of the watch at the start of this thread for reference of the OP.
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nicks
·Guys...I've baked hundreds of pies.
There is no way that the Omega ad writer should have called those domed dials a "pie-pan". Ambitious marketing, maybe?
Pie-pans, and pie-pan dials, have a clearly defined angled edge. Or edges, e.g. the Constellations.
Pie pans are not curved. Try cooking a pie in a curved pan, you will understand right away why not.
There is no way that the Omega ad writer should have called those domed dials a "pie-pan". Ambitious marketing, maybe?
Pie-pans, and pie-pan dials, have a clearly defined angled edge. Or edges, e.g. the Constellations.
Pie pans are not curved. Try cooking a pie in a curved pan, you will understand right away why not.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorPie pans are not curved.
The pie pan definition has been discussed here for so many times and people still have different opinions about it.
From what I see when I search Google, pie pan gave me this picture
So, to me, it does not need to have 12 sharp edges to be a pie pan dial.
Let's make up our minds here folks.
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nicks
·Let's make up our minds here folks.
gatorcpa
I'm in favour of making up our minds. Here's my take: If every dial that is a curved dome is going to be called a piepan, then they do not look much like the pan you use bake a pie in, and they are as common as dirt and not worth even pointing out as different or special. Hundreds of zillions of dome-shaped watch dials.
The reality is that an angled dial and a dome-shaped dial are shaped quite differently, and so IMHO deserve different names to describe them.
Painting the outside edge of a domed dial a different colour doesn't make it a piepan.
Surely we can agree that something we want to call a pie pan should (gasp!) look like a .....
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Let’s go there!
I am firmly in the camp that says if there is no defined plane change it’s a dome dial not a pie pan, though the latter can to my mind include both options where the bottom of the pan is round or has scalloped angular sides. These are examples of some dials which like the OP watch look to have a plane change but don’t: it’s an optical effect caused by a clever finish change in brushing. These (and the OP watch) are not pie pan dials IMO. Yes Omega have said differently but then marketing teams get creative and make mistakes and as noted already the OVDB can be very poor. A two tone dial Connie is not automatically a pie pan as some seem to suggest.
I am firmly in the camp that says if there is no defined plane change it’s a dome dial not a pie pan, though the latter can to my mind include both options where the bottom of the pan is round or has scalloped angular sides. These are examples of some dials which like the OP watch look to have a plane change but don’t: it’s an optical effect caused by a clever finish change in brushing. These (and the OP watch) are not pie pan dials IMO. Yes Omega have said differently but then marketing teams get creative and make mistakes and as noted already the OVDB can be very poor. A two tone dial Connie is not automatically a pie pan as some seem to suggest.
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Peemacgee
·I too am firmly in the ‘a 12-sided faceted dial is a pie-pan’ camp and believe the name has retrospectively been applied to two-tone dome dials by both the public and Omega. (and some ‘strong-willed’ seasoned collectors 😉)
However, I would happily accept an example of an unadulterated, contemporaneous Omega advert, showing a two-tone dome dial listed as a pie pan, as evidence that pie pan can refer to dials other than Desmond’s douze-pan dials.
But until such a 50s or 60s advert appears, two-tone dome dials called pie-pans get ‘nil-points’ from this particular UK juror.
However, I would happily accept an example of an unadulterated, contemporaneous Omega advert, showing a two-tone dome dial listed as a pie pan, as evidence that pie pan can refer to dials other than Desmond’s douze-pan dials.
But until such a 50s or 60s advert appears, two-tone dome dials called pie-pans get ‘nil-points’ from this particular UK juror.
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gbesq
·Pie pan = angled with 12 facets. The only modern Omega that I know of that Omega describes as having a pie pan dial is the Globemaster and it’s angled - not curved -with 12 facets. Whether I’m wearing my new Globemaster or my vintage Constellation, I love the pie pan dials on both.
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nicks
·I'm (happily) sensing a developing consensus around "angled".
For me, finding an old advertisement would not be convincing. There are all sorts of hyperbole and florid descriptions in watch ads (or any advertising, for that matter). An ad would just confirm to me that pie pan was seen back then as a desirable feature, worth exaggerating about. Just like today, I guess.
There are lots of very well designed vintage watches. I reckon most of us would agree that the faceted Constellation dials are a classic beauty. Every time I look at one, I think about how much thought went into developing it and then making it a cornerstone of Omega's offerings for many years.
For me, finding an old advertisement would not be convincing. There are all sorts of hyperbole and florid descriptions in watch ads (or any advertising, for that matter). An ad would just confirm to me that pie pan was seen back then as a desirable feature, worth exaggerating about. Just like today, I guess.
There are lots of very well designed vintage watches. I reckon most of us would agree that the faceted Constellation dials are a classic beauty. Every time I look at one, I think about how much thought went into developing it and then making it a cornerstone of Omega's offerings for many years.
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Peemacgee
·For me, finding an old advertisement would not be convincing. There are all sorts of hyperbole and florid descriptions in watch ads (or any advertising, for that matter). An ad would just confirm to me that pie pan was seen back then as a desirable feature, worth exaggerating about.
As prima-facie evidence, it has often been cited that Omega themselves have used the term pie-pan to describe dome dials made to look as though they have a distinct central section and a separate outer section.
However, I believe this to be a more recent adoption and not based on any original naming conventions.
Whilst I personally consider a pie-pan to have the 12-sided faceted dial, if an advert of the time were to appear showing a two-tone dome dial listed as a pie-pan, then I would have to accept that Omega themselves named them as such and it would have to be correct - after all they were their watches to name as they considered fit.
Of course, it would be useful to know when the term pie-pan was first coined, as it is quite likely that Omega never used that name for their faceted (or other) dials in the first place.
Which, unfortunately, leads us back to square one as we can then call the dials whatever we like.
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smorrisonmd
·To me, it is a pie pan.
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nicks
·I wouldn't bet that my first post will get this big attention, but I'm happy with it 😀
Can somebody suggest a price and/or suggest a plus or minus amout of money because of this "tropical" dial?
I bought a tropical dial 1950s Seamaster in 2019. In my case, I would say it was priced about $250 ($C) less than the going rate for ones in better condition. From what I've read, I'd have to say that "tropical" can also send the price higher. I don't think I would personally pay more for one. Not much help, sorry.
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t2g
·I bought a tropical dial 1950s Seamaster in 2019. In my case, I would say it was priced about $250 ($C) less than the going rate for ones in better condition. From what I've read, I'd have to say that "tropical" can also send the price higher. I don't think I would personally pay more for one. Not much help, sorry.
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smorrisonmd
·This is the first reply that contains any number, so thank You for it 😀
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Screwbacks
·lots of watch dials are usually dome type, regardless of brands. but not necessarily a piepan. here is a piepan:
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