Asking for help about a Pie-Pan Constellation

t2g · Feb 9, 2020

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

as a newbie, please help me with your thoughts, is it a real one or not?
It's a 14K, cal 505, case number 121215.
And please suggest a normal price for it, I want to buy it.

Thanks in advance,

Gabor

t2g · Feb 9, 2020

Sorry, I try to attach the pictures in a different way:

X350 XJR · Feb 9, 2020

First, it's not a pie-pan.

Yes, it's real.

Case is in nice condition and I actually like the patinated dial.

Check eBay sold listings for value.

t2g · Feb 9, 2020

X350 XJR
First, it's not a pie-pan.

Yes, it's real.

Case is in nice condition and I actually like the patinated dial.

Check eBay sold listings for value.

Thanks for your reply! The seller said to me, it's piepan, I'm gonna see in my hands at next saturday.
My first try was, as You mentioned the ebay's sold listings, but I didn't find a 14K version with cal 505, and I couldn't find with this dial /3-6-9-12 numbers/, so that's why I'm not certain about that this version actually exits. Can You confirn that it exists?

X350 XJR · Feb 9, 2020

Yes it exists and no it's not a pie-pan, regardless of what the seller says.

hoipolloi · Feb 9, 2020

To me, it is a pie pan.

Dan S · Feb 9, 2020

Funny, I also think it's not a pie-pan. 😁

Regarding the OP and eBay prices. Don't worry about finding the exact same watch. Just get prices of similar pieces and adjust for small variations and for condition as well. Frankly, the biggest issue is figuring out how much to subtract for the damaged dial.

Walrus · Feb 9, 2020

I have a seamaster with a dial like that minus the crosshairs. I don’t consider it a piepan. Still like the op’s watch

hoipolloi · Feb 9, 2020

connieseamaster · Feb 9, 2020

🍿Is this going to be one of those threads?

Dan S · Feb 9, 2020

hoipolloi

I see what you're saying. The pie-pan refers to the domed shape, and doesn't require the facets/edges. That makes sense now that I think it through. I think my brain was just so accustomed to a narrower definition of the term.

hoipolloi · Feb 9, 2020

Dan S
I see what you're saying. The pie-pan refers to the domed shape, and doesn't require the facets/edges. That makes sense now that I think it through. I think my brain was just so accustomed to a narrower definition of the term.

The pie pan definition has been discussed here for so many times and people still have different opinions about it.
From what I see when I search Google, pie pan gave me this picture

So, to me, it does not need to have 12 sharp edges to be a pie pan dial.

Dan S · Feb 9, 2020

hoipolloi
The pie pan definition has been discussed here for so many times and people still have different opinions about it.
From what I see when I search Google, pie pan gave me this picture

So, to me, it does not need to have 12 sharp edges to be a pie pan dial.

OK, then I don't want to repeat this discussion too much, but that pan does have a sharp circular crease/edge and a flat bottom. The dial in the OP watch is just a smooth curved dome shape, I think. There is no sharp kink in the shape.

hoipolloi · Feb 9, 2020

Do you want to start another one? 😁

Dan S · Feb 9, 2020

hoipolloi
Do you want to start another one? 😁

I think the problem is that the OP photo just doesn't show the sharp edge well enough, so I thought that the dial just had a smooth domed shape. I found this thread, which has better photos.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-geneve-pie-pan.26318

kingsrider · Feb 9, 2020

I thought this style dial was the only pie pan.

Dan S · Feb 9, 2020

kingsrider
I thought this style dial was the only pie pan.

Read that thread I just posted, this is discussed in detail. The dial you posted is a pie-pan, but not the only kind. As long as the center is flat, and transitions sharply to a sloped outer section, it's a pie-pan. The division into sections (12 in this case) is not necessary.

If the flat central region just gradually curves downwards, without a sharp transition, that's not a pie-pan IMO. What makes things tricky is that without good photos, it's sometimes quite difficult to determine if there is a sharp break between inner and outer parts of the dial, and if the dial changes color at that point, it's especially hard to tell. You really need a good photo taken at the right angle.

gatorcpa · Feb 9, 2020

Dan S
OK, then I don't want to repeat this discussion too much, but that pan does have a sharp circular crease/edge and a flat bottom. The dial in the OP watch is just a smooth curved dome shape, I think. There is no sharp kink in the shape.

You and I can think what we like. It is Omega's opinion that counts.

After all, they made it.

Right?
gatorpca

Walrus · Feb 9, 2020

kingsrider
I thought this style dial was the only pie pan.

This is what I thought of a piepan. If the OP model is I’m good with that. That is an amazing example you have

Dan S · Feb 9, 2020

gatorcpa
You and I can think what we like. It is Omega's opinion that counts.

After all, they made it.

Right?
gatorpca

Sure, I'm fine with that. I'd just like to understand the principle, since the OVD is so incomplete. Are domed dials with rounded edges also pie-pans? I'm totally agnostic about it, just honestly trying to get the terminology right.

Asking for help about a Pie-Pan Constellation

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X350 XJR

t2g

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hoipolloi

Dan S

Walrus

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connieseamaster

Dan S

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Dan S

kingsrider

Dan S

gatorcpa

Walrus

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