Artsy pic of the workbench...

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No so artsy pic of someone's bench (found on line)...



I remember visiting a fellow watchmaker in town years ago who had a bench for sale that I thought I might buy. When I got there it was covered in about 3 inches of various items. Dials jammed in there getting scratched up, movements piled up without regard for damage, and he had one tiny area cleared off to work on. I passed on the bench, but I'll never forget the poor state of it...I wonder how many customer's watches were damaged by being on that bench...

I'm about 99% certain this person lives near me because I've been there before. He's much more of a "tinkerer" than an actual watchmaker.
 
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No so artsy pic of someone's bench (found on line)...



I remember visiting a fellow watchmaker in town years ago who had a bench for sale that I thought I might buy. When I got there it was covered in about 3 inches of various items. Dials jammed in there getting scratched up, movements piled up without regard for damage, and he had one tiny area cleared off to work on. I passed on the bench, but I'll never forget the poor state of it...I wonder how many customer's watches were damaged by being on that bench...

This is what I remember from the 90s, every watch tech I got to know had a bench just like that. Brings back a lot of good... and bad memories.
 
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The material used on watchmaker benches is typically green. Every bench I’ve worked at in school or at brand training has been green. This material is Borco, which is the same material you find on manual drafting tables. I think that material has come in green, and it was just adapted for use on benches for watchmaking.

Personally I use the flip side, which is grey on the roll of Borco that I have. It is much better for photos than the green is.
Yes, a drafting board surface. It yields ever so slightly while drafting on it, giving the pencil a nice feel. It also takes abuse, and will "heal" up after a nick or scratch. Scrub/wipe it clean every so often and it should last indefinitely.
 
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Looking good!
WOSTEP had a hand in there through AWCI in Cincinatti, welcome aboard Comander!
WOSTEP 1995 here Refresher course or precision timing.
I wound up with a HUSKY adjustable bench butcher block top, cranked it up to a better hight to rest forearms om for stability! one clean bench, one lathe bench, ultrasonic, Vibrgraph M80, B200 in closet, $200 non-pocket watch [ It's a Blonde!] in the corner, picture of the gang @ WOSTEP?,
If you can find them, the Ikea cabinets work great. Sorry I didn't grab a couple more of the tall ones.
Not to mention my book collection.....
Cheers! Mike
 
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No so artsy pic of someone's bench (found on line)...



I remember visiting a fellow watchmaker in town years ago who had a bench for sale that I thought I might buy. When I got there it was covered in about 3 inches of various items. Dials jammed in there getting scratched up, movements piled up without regard for damage, and he had one tiny area cleared off to work on. I passed on the bench, but I'll never forget the poor state of it...I wonder how many customer's watches were damaged by being on that bench...
An old tymer at airlines put it," A clean bench is an indicator of a sick mind!"
Never washed his coffee mug out as it ruined the flavor!
Shades of Belushi's last movie, Neighbors, very shaded humor!
Cheers! Mike
 
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Wow. More than anything else that reminds me of something you would see on some reality TV show about hoarders...

Never mind trying to find a tool under all that, it looks like there are 100+ watches & no labels. If this is someone's business, how would you ever get a finished piece invoiced & returned back the to same customer who brought it in?
Try taking a job where the watchmaker left you something similar.
I have a prior post that gives a partial adventure on Quartz watch servicing.
 
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t skills before you felt that you were competent?

Out of interest how long did it take from the time you started before you felt you were competent? How much training is involved v self learning?
 
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Out of interest how long did it take from the time you started before you felt you were competent? How much training is involved v self learning?[/QUOTE]

That's an interesting question, but kind of hard to put my finger on a firm answer...

My feeling is that the benefit of in-class / in-person training is a league apart from self-learning / reference books / YouTube options. I do the watchmaking as a hobby for fun & for mental engagement, & with the benefit of the Norwest School program I'd say it took me about a year to become proficient with a normal pocket watch, & then probably another year to become proficient again with wristwatches.

The next step up for me will be taking on higher complication movements (chronographs most likely), but the difference now is having the foundational experience that I didn't have at the start. So the projects get more complex, but you come at it with an expanded skill-set.

The normal program at the Norwest School is Seattle is 3 semesters per year (evening courses) for 2 years. I had just started the 6th & final term in Spring of 2020, at which point we had our classroom training rudely interrupted by covid. So I never got to finish all the way but may go back to complete that last term when it comes around again next year.
 
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Thanks for the response. I am contemplating taking this up as a hobby as I near retirement. Having collected watches for a number of years I’ve always been frustrated by not being able to carry out my own servicing and repairs.

Good luck on the next stage of your journey.
 
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Thanks for the response. I am contemplating taking this up as a hobby as I near retirement. Having collected watches for a number of years I’ve always been frustrated by not being able to carry out my own servicing and repairs.

Good luck on the next stage of your journey.
I'd say try it & be encouraged by the successes & the skills you learn in the process. I didn't think of it this way at the time, but I think now that picking up watchmaking is similar in a way to learning an instrument; you need to be able to accept & learn from frustrations & setbacks in order to get to the point where you can count on satisfaction & enjoyment in your own good work.
 
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t skills before you felt that you were competent?


Out of interest how long did it take from the time you started before you felt you were competent? How much training is involved v self learning?
I postec a coment awhile back.
Guther, put it like this: "Hope you don't have anything to do with the next 5 years!"
In all honesty, that is about right. But, I came into this world backwards, & everthing I have done is backwards....
I started taking everthing apart, Mom said they had to hide the butter knives as I would take the screws out of the chairs....
First real job serviced bicycles.
Took a course in Photographic Equipment Repair, 1974
Tinkered with camras, about 5 plus years.
Economy was in a down turn, 2 year Associates Degree.
Back out in CA, got a job through a connection with Airlines.
Repaired aircraft instruments. One day, Supervisor said, " AOG, service it!"
Put a 3" dial choronograph [ Wakman ] on my bench.
Serviced it, off it went. Gunther came back from vacation.
Said, "Good some else to do the clocks!"
I said the basic train not a problem, but the balance wheel, setting the ....
We sat down @ the bench & he walked me through, setting the beat, replacing balance staff.... & I was off & running.
Wound up in Denver, had a watch & clock school there & caught the last class taught.
Wes Van Every retired. Got the last certificate from him, with recomendation for WOSTEP & from supervisor at airlines. January 1995 WOSTEP, worked a couple of storefronts one Denver, one in Fairlawn Ohio.
I just don't like dealing with the general public. Got spoiled at the airlines, "Club Med!"
As the old tymers called it.
Most of the big Jewlery stores are owned by that guy in Omaha's firm Bershire ....
Not being married at the time in LA, they would not hire me.
So, like I said evertyhing in my life has been backwards.
Jules Borel is good supply house to know about Kansas City. They just moved after 100 yrs or so.
Old Hamilton Aircraft Clocks, Oto Frie in San Francisco,
Cas-Ker, Cincinatti Ohio, (Twin City Supplies [ .net as I recall ])
Picked up tools from NAWCC meets across the country when with the airlines.
Bought a watchmakers remaining stock, which he said came down the line from a few generations.
Hardest thing is aquiring parts. The Swiss in a way do not want indepenent watch repairers. That is my perspective. They had a great thing going as they sold cabinets & assortments for their units. Now, click spring for AP 1 to 1.5k $.
Before the owner of SMH died, he told the industry needed to start manufacturing in house movements. There was nothing other than a dozen or so in house, AP, GP, ROLEX, JAGER, & Even they were using ETA movements.
Anyway, if you like the bench & got the training hang in there us old tymers will eventually lose our sping.
I rode a lot of bicycling & wish I had taken to Yoga instead.
Take some Yoga classes, & become an insructor.
Repair watches in between classes.
I'll try and answer any question you have to the best possible.
Cheers! Mike
 
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My wife keeps telling me to take up yoga as I’m as flexible as a concrete pillar
 
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Had a curiosity with yoga growing up.
People don't believe this, but my now wife had been watching Raquel Welch & doing it at home. We traveled out to LA & she insisted on taking in a Bikram class.
So, we went, & not knowing anything about the hot yoga. My wife didn't know that partof it. But Bikram was the instuctor. Since then we have been to several studios & we tell the story, they would say no way.... We would make refference to his comments in the class & they realized Bikram was actually teaching the class.
Oh, another collector of fine time pieces, Biram!
Ha, fits in with the site.
Cheers! Mike
 
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& the purpose for the washers is?

After servicing a watch, the aim should be to have the watch keep time with the regulator index in the middle of the scale. If the watch yields a reasonably constant rate in most positions, but the regulator is not centred, there are two ways to solve the problem. IF the watch has a balance wheel with screws on the rim, and IF among those screws are meantime screws, adjusting the meantime screws either out, to slow the watch, or in to speed it up. If there are no meantime screws and the watch is GAINING time, timing washers can be added to slow the watch. These timing screws come in calibrated sizes. Light ones for small adjustments, and heavier ones for greater corrections. A balance wheel screw is removed and a timing washer added, then the screw put back in place. Then usually, the partner screw 180° across the wheel would also have a weight added. If the watch doesn’t have screws, that is the colour of another horse. Usually watches like this have an adjustable two part regulator on which the index can be centred, and the curb pin carrier adjusted to bring the watch to time. If it has no meantime screws on the balance, and the watch loses, that might involve removing timing washers, if there are any. Or moving the curb pin carrier if it has a two piece regulator. Sorry the answer isn’t as simple as you though it might be.
 
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Just testing!
Timing washers are not for the weight!
The purpose is like you say about those Mean Screws you mentioned!
Moving the weights out when added, & in when removed.
I belive, the mission of those Mean Screws is more to adjust for more isochronal for the mainsping power.
Fully wound, midway wound, & close to end. Maybe in temperature adjusting in conjunction with bi-metalic balances.... lost in translation!
With the modern metals the temperature is not as big of a problem!
With the older watches, expansion, contraction, elasticity is a whole different ordeal.
When is the last time you tested a watch for temperature in a heat & cold box as descrbed in the older text?
Ciao! Mike