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see my original response to @ConElPueblo above, moments after my original post, admitting/explaining that I had meant to say “not impossible”

from there, I don’t know what to tell you that’s not already in my next response to him - his anecdotal assertion that a fake/suspicious watch coming from an AD is “extremely unlikely” is silly, when talking about a supposedly 5yr old NOS watch with a janked case back and from a dealer who also buys/sells secondhand watches - especially when it’s couched in belittling assertions of fearmongering

on this and other forums, maybe I’ve just seen too many people who confuse their post # stats with divinity, and speak accordingly - forgive the exhaustion

My point was that the difference between "not impossible" and "extremely unlikely" is so small that to my uneducated brain you seem to both be stating. more or less, the same thing.
Nevertheless I certainly don't see how "Extremely unlikely" can be taken to mean a " guarantee (of) the authenticity of anything sold by any “AD”""
 
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My point was that the difference between "not impossible" and "extremely unlikely" is so small that to my uneducated brain you seem to both be stating. more or less, the same thing.

I agree with your logic. But when applied here, I assume he disagrees with us both, or else he wouldn’t have twice thrown in the accusation of scaremongering, especially peppered with disingenuous politeness - including after my clarification/self-correction.

And that difference, as they say, makes all the difference.

nevertheless I certainly don't see how "Extremely unlikely" can be taken to mean a " guarantee (of) the authenticity of anything sold by any “AD”""

So is there a sign-up sheet somewhere before gaining the privilege of doing some sh*ttalking hyperbole? Because he launched straight into his smug “scaremongering” routine, so I didn’t realize sh*ttalking was out of bounds.
 
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So is there a sign-up sheet somewhere before gaining the privilege of doing some sh*ttalking hyperbole? Because he launched straight into his smug “scaremongering” routine, so I didn’t realize sh*ttalking was out of bounds.

Enough said I guess. Have a good day
 
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I agree with your logic. But when applied here, I assume he disagrees with us both, or else he wouldn’t have twice thrown in the accusation of scaremongering, especially peppered with disingenuous politeness - including after my clarification/self-correction.

And that difference, as they say, makes all the difference.



So is there a sign-up sheet somewhere before gaining the privilege of doing some sh*ttalking hyperbole? Because he launched straight into his smug “scaremongering” routine, so I didn’t realize sh*ttalking was out of bounds.

Time to quit this thread, you aren't doing yourself any favours here.

When stating that a store specialising in selling a particular brand of luxury goods - and with an associated status of Authorised Dealer granted by that brand - "is not uncommon" to be found selling counterfeit goods of that brand, I would suggest that you back that up with facts instead of being increasingly aggressive and trying to shift the burden of proof unto the one who asked for said proof.

If asking for any evidence of extremely unlikely actions (yup, I am sticking to my guns here) is considered shittalking, well then I will let other members reading this thread be the judge of which of us to listen to. I don't need a high post count to post reasonable, researched content, I did that when I had roughly 400 posts too.

And yes, your unresearched reply to a new member, regurgitating baseless assumptions is scaremongering. I didn't know there was a "scaremongering routine", but I am okay with initiating it.

My insistence on referring your posts as scaremongering stems from the fact that even though you edited your original statement, you insisted on refererring to the alternatives as being "equally in-congruent", despite the alternatives having been documented fairly well while we still wait to see the masses of fake watches being peddled by ADs. So you changed your wording, but not really your intended meaning. I see through this - maybe it has to do with having seen to many people on this board confusing their right to post with the obligation to post nonsense.
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Foo2, between the two of us, you’re the one using memes as argument, misspelling the word “you’re,” generally neglecting to employ reading comprehension, and making baseless assertions that are obvious to anyone paying attention (eg, ADs can’t also sell secondhand watches, Trueneau isn’t an OAD, etc.) - all troll hallmarks (maybe it’s just an off day for you?)

Besides, when I troll, I like to do it meta-level:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/176-007-and-cal-1040-family-review.32325/

I think we can take the advice you are handing out here with a pinch of salt, it looks to me like you don't know your Alpina's from your Ebel's.
 
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Only because it’s you, @ConElPueblo do I take back my kitty cat exit:

When stating that a store specialising in selling a particular brand of luxury goods - and with an associated status of Authorised Dealer granted by that brand - "is not uncommon" to be found selling counterfeit goods of that brand, I would suggest that you back that up with facts instead of being increasingly aggressive and trying to shift the burden of proof unto the one who asked for said proof.

Let’s be clear: I didn’t offer any “proof” that it’s “not uncommon” because as soon as you asked for proof I realized my mistake, and - with zero aggression toward the request for proof - responded to you instead with a correction/clarification. (Specifically, at my 12:20 I hurriedly made my first post RE “not uncommon,” at my 12:40 you asked for proof, and at my 1:20, I responded “I should have instead said, ‘buying from (any ole') AD does not alone make it impossible to be suspect’”).

So, your initial smugness may or may not have been needlessly hasty (no harm), but your continued smugness after my immediate correction was unnecessary and misplaced.

My insistence on referring your posts as scaremongering stems from the fact that even though you edited your original statement, you insisted on refererring to the alternatives as being "equally in-congruent" despite the alternatives having been documented fairly well

So your continued smugness boils down to that limited point?

First, I never said all alternatives are incongruent, I said “any other alternative offered up on this thread so far are equally in-congruent (a service back on a 'brand new/from AD' watch?).” And my statement was not about the universal likelihood, but instead the likelihood in this specific instance based on then-known info.

Perhaps you simply misread/misunderstood the meaning of “equally incongruent”? A service caseback is possible (though, to me, particularly strange in this specific scenario); and other explanations are (based on what little we knew at that time) all at least as plausible (though also have their implausible counter-points).

You seem to keep confusing the actual issue at hand in this thread with the entirely separate issue of the universal likelihood of any AD having a suspect watch. The actual issue in this thread Instead involves a specific watch, that was purported to be 5 year old NOS, “with stickers still intact,” sold by an AD that may have stock of more than only manufacturer-provided units, and a caseback missing entirely any LE numbering, and an OP apparently unwilling or unable to provide requested photos of the portions of the movement that could say one way or the other the details of the watch itself.

And yes, your unresearched reply to a new member, regurgitating baseless assumptions is scaremongering.

See, here’s where your true colors in this thread shine through: your tone immediately above was already pregnant in your very first response to me (ignorable strike one), but then again even after I swallowed your tone and still corrected myself (Uhg, strike two).

It’s great that you’ve done research, and have your own anecdotal information; but it’s simply you being a d*ck when you immediately come out the gate assuming that nobody else has ...

I don't need a high post count to post reasonable, researched content, I did that when I had roughly 400 posts too.

See, back when you had 400 posts, I did, too; We’ve probably both learned some things since then. The only difference between us is that guys just like you are why I didn’t feel heartbroken to largely disengaged with OF for the past several years, while you meanwhile apparently have gone on to confuse it with your character.

So I’ll finish by just being blunt about what I was dancing around in my first few posts: posts just like OPs are often seen in other forums, in connection with themselves being the con at hand (with the backstory being BS, intending to drum up a “golly gee” sale in the DMs); and meanwhile, despite @ConElPueblo’s contrary anecdotal evidence, my own anecdotal evidence suggests that certain types of “ADs” that exist in shopping malls and concurrently sell hordes of other brands and also second-hand watches (or NOS watches not derived from the manufacturer), are not to be Taken without equal scrutiny - but especially when it comes to mid-tier, large-frame, Omegas (the hot spot of the very best Chinese fakes).

To me, each of the above are “equally incongruent” explanations of the OPs post, as compared to a plausible but also questionable explanation of a service dial on a NOS, stickered, watch with blank cards, being described as being like a “double 9 Rolex”

But @ConElPueblo, don’t let me in the way of your clearly superior opinion
 
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@cvalue13

show any example of a fake being sold by an AD.
Second you apparently don’t know how to spot a fake one of these from a movement shot do you. If you can’t do that then your not really qualified to comment.
 
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@cvalue13

show any example of a fake being sold by an AD.
Second you apparently don’t know how to spot a fake one of these from a movement shot do you. If you can’t do that then your not really qualified to comment.

holy sh*t, man - your reading comprehension is horrible - in no way does the totality of the above conversations/argument boil down to whether there is proof of ADs selling a fake watch

But if you’re myopic on that point, and referring to the pic of the balance (?) note that (1) the entire conversation above transpired 3hrs before said pic was provided, and meanwhile (2) even then, it’s a bad pic, and the once “standard” hallmarks of suspicious watches (including the balance) have been called into question on other forum threads to the extent that I don’t - unlike you - have the hubris to think THAT picture closes the case.

maybe you need to print out threads in 20 font and review with a pencil and eraser in hand.
 
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Here is the best quality picture I can take. This watch was dispatched to the company in feb 2015. This just One particular 1 didn’t sell. As next film is coming And this watch has sat in the window of 3-4 different Fraser Hart shops they wanted out to make way for the next bond watch’s. Omega has contacted AD today confirmed the watch is perfect and offered me the option of returning it to them to add the numbers or I can leave it blank. It’s the only 1 of the 15007 watches believed to have passed QA without the date or at least, no other owner has raised it if there is another.
 
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I was contacted via PM to check on a serial number as I rarely visit the "reviews" section of the forum, so I hadn't seen this thread. I was given the number, so if this is actually the number on the watch, it looks fine:

Serial number: 87578983
Article ref: 23110422103004
Version of movement: 8507G

As far as the case back, it is listed as follows:

"Information:Numbered component, return the item"

So it is currently only available on exchange, but it's possible that this wasn't always the case, so it could be a replacement.

Cheers, Al
 
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I was contacted via PM to check on a serial number as I rarely visit the "reviews" section of the forum, so I hadn't seen this thread. I was given the number, so if this is actually the number on the watch, it looks fine:

Serial number: 87578983
Article ref: 23110422103004
Version of movement: 8507G

As far as the case back, it is listed as follows:

"Information:Numbered component, return the item"

So it is currently only available on exchange, but it's possible that this wasn't always the case, so it could be a replacement.

Cheers, Al
Thanks Al.
 
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holy sh*t, man - your reading comprehension is horrible - in no way does the totality of the above conversations/argument boil down to whether there is proof of ADs selling a fake watch

But if you’re myopic on that point, and referring to the pic of the balance (?) note that (1) the entire conversation above transpired 3hrs before said pic was provided, and meanwhile (2) even then, it’s a bad pic, and the once “standard” hallmarks of suspicious watches (including the balance) have been called into question on other forum threads to the extent that I don’t - unlike you - have the hubris to think THAT picture closes the case.

maybe you need to print out threads in 20 font and review with a pencil and eraser in hand.

first your the one making the claim it happens and AD sell fake watches.

2nd who said I was talking about just a balance. There is around 10 other things that any experienced person looks at. But hey if your still using 2015 ways of checking that’s on you.

and since your inexperienced not backing up your claims I’m putting you on mute. I’ll no longer see any of your posts again. But feel free to get the last word.
 
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Well you have now.

I agree Al's is the first non-anecdotal contribution to the thread's actual topic! Thanks, @Archer

OP, as noted by others above, I'd still think hard on whether the lack of LE number is a good or bad thing for its value - but if you don't care about that, and like it, then cheers
 
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I agree Al's is the first non-anecdotal contribution to the thread's actual topic! Thanks, @Archer

OP, as noted by others above, I'd still think hard on whether the lack of LE number is a good or bad thing for its value - but if you don't care about that, and like it, then cheers
Well now that's sorted perhaps we can stop the mudslinging and move on .
I'm sure we'll be the first to know if you ever find proof of Omega AD's selling fake Omega watches.
 
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Well now that's sorted perhaps we can stop the mudslinging and move on .
I'm sure we'll be the first to know if you ever find proof of Omega AD's selling fake Omega watches.

An ironic pair of sentences, but no less expected.

How about instead, we start with you providing me proof that a big box place like Tourneau, shuffling stock (including secondhand) between stores and stripmall warehouses for 5 years, makes it impossible for them to get duped into having a suspect watch on hand?

And when/if you do, I'll preemptively note it will be the first time anyone on this thread bothered to say anything more than "that's preposterous, based solely on my assertion"
 
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An ironic pair of sentences, but no less expected.

How about instead, we start with you providing me proof that a big box place like Tourneau, shuffling stock (including secondhand) between stores and stripmall warehouses for 5 years, makes it impossible for them to get duped into having a suspect watch on hand?

And when/if you do, I'll preemptively note it will be the first time anyone on this thread bothered to say anything more than "that's preposterous, based solely on my assertion"
Well, I had hoped you would have fυcked off by now, but you obviously feel the need to have the last word.
Did it never occur to you that all Omega AD's have access to the Omega intranet, just like Al has, and would check the serial number of any watch they take in P/X or sell on consignment.
Or are you suggesting that some AD's are so stupid that they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the genuine article and a fake?
You should have taken my advice and called it a day yesterday.