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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Help me understand the point I’m missing between your point above and the fact that Tourneau is an authorized retailer of Omega, selling new Omega with the manufacture’s warranty, etc.?
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cvalue13
·Lol no they are not an Omega AD. Hence they have their own protection plan on them. They are grey market or previously owned for Omega.
“LOL” weird, because the Omega website lists Tourneau as authorized retailers (and Tourneau-sold watches still receive the manufacturer warranty, as well as Tourneau’s)
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cvalue13
·(Not to say all tourneau’s are this way, as I think brands tend to yank away from stores near boutiques...)
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Evitzee
·I remember last year an OF member saw/bought a new Speedmaster Apollo XV!! from a boutique that did not have the edition number on the caseback. We went round and round about how this happened, I don't think anyone had a definitive answer. This watch is probably real but somewhere along the line it had its back replaced. The price should reflect this, how much it devalues it is hard to gauge.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Of all of the Tournues around me none are an AD of Omegas and are not listed as such on Omega’s website. A small number of them appear to be apparently.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I do hope this has a happy ending here but I would be a little concerned and would act to get it verified and the number reinstated. Not having a number is not a plus, it just casts doubt on the piece.
I wouldn’t be as certain as some of you are that a second hand watch sold by a chain who have just had their Rolex dealer status pulled, who have been spilt up and sold and are currently being rebranded are as worthy of full trust as all that. There is a chance Omega may declare that this is a Carnet watch or similar and hold it. Or may charge for a new case back. If it were a brand new purchase there would be no cause for concern, but it’s not. In a month or so there will be no more Frazer Hart on the High st so I would get it sorted before new management walk in and say ‘not our problem’
I guess I am now the one scaremongering!
I wouldn’t be as certain as some of you are that a second hand watch sold by a chain who have just had their Rolex dealer status pulled, who have been spilt up and sold and are currently being rebranded are as worthy of full trust as all that. There is a chance Omega may declare that this is a Carnet watch or similar and hold it. Or may charge for a new case back. If it were a brand new purchase there would be no cause for concern, but it’s not. In a month or so there will be no more Frazer Hart on the High st so I would get it sorted before new management walk in and say ‘not our problem’
I guess I am now the one scaremongering!
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·I wouldn’t be as certain as some of you are that a second hand watch sold by a chain who have just had their Rolex dealer status pulled, who have been spilt up and sold and are currently being rebranded are as worthy of full trust as all that... In a couple of months time there will be no more Frazer Hart on the High st so I would get it sorted before new management walk in and say ‘not our problem’
The OP said it was sold as a new watch, not a second hand - apparently having been a 5 year old (NOS?) watch that was never sold, as per the “blank” papers provided by the dealer (and presumably filled in upon purchase?).
Still, whether sold as “new” or secondhand, I would advise the OP to not assume he’s got a unique watch “like a double 9 Explorer,” but instead exercise skepticism (regardless of whether the shop is an AD, or if the watch came with box and papers).
One route is as @padders suggests above (attempt to get the watch verified and numbers reinstated on the watch), though his insights on Fraser Hart might point toward an equally viable alternative of demanding to return the watch and find something with less smell about it, from a different AD.
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·Of all of the Tournues around me none are an AD of Omegas and are not listed as such on Omega’s website. A small number of them appear to be apparently.
It’s really neither here nor there that Tourneau has stores that are ADs, as instead my point from the top was that “AD” should not reduce skepticism about the validity or value of a watch when purchased from certain types of ADs, especially when there’s this much smell on the watch itself.
Or, OP, listen instead to @dennisthemenace and @ConElPueblo... who are apparently willing to guarantee the authenticity of anything sold by any “AD”
for my money, there are other bond aqua terras out there (apparently, even NOS sitting on AD shelves)
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...It’s really neither here nor there that Tourneau has stores that are ADs, as instead my point from the top was that “AD” should not reduce skepticism about the validity or value of a watch when purchased from certain types of ADs, especially when there’s this much smell on the watch itself.
Or, OP, listen instead to @dennisthemenace and @ConElPueblo... who are apparently willing to guarantee the authenticity of anything sold by any “AD”
for my money, there are other bond aqua terras out there (apparently, even NOS sitting on AD shelves)
Your purposefully distorting what 2 people said.
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·It’s really neither here nor there that Tourneau has stores that are ADs, as instead my point from the top was that “AD” should not reduce skepticism about the validity or value of a watch when purchased from certain types of ADs, especially when there’s this much smell on the watch itself.
Or, OP, listen instead to @dennisthemenace and @ConElPueblo... who are apparently willing to guarantee the authenticity of anything sold by any “AD”
for my money, there are other bond aqua terras out there (apparently, even NOS sitting on AD shelves)
Remind me again what the debate is here
You originally said it was "not uncommon" (for a fake new watch to be sold at an AD). You have since edited your original post to say you really meant "Not impossible"
@ConElPueblo stated his opinion that it was "Extremely unlikely" (for a fake new watch to be sold at an AD).
It is pure semantics to suggest there is a great difference between "not impossible" and "Extremely unlikely" and to then extrapolate this to suggest that the latter means carte blanche guarantee of authenticity is simply fantasy.
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·Remind me again what the debate is here
You originally said it was "not uncommon" (for a fake new watch to be sold at an AD). You have since edited your original post to say you really meant "Not impossible"
@ConElPueblo stated his opinion that it was "Extremely unlikely" (for a fake new watch to be sold at an AD).
It is pure semantics to suggest there is a great difference between "not impossible" and "Extremely unlikely" and to then extrapolate this to suggest that the latter means carte blanche guarantee of authenticity is simply fantasy.
see my original response to @ConElPueblo above, moments after my original post, admitting/explaining that I had meant to say “not impossible”
from there, I don’t know what to tell you that’s not already in my next response to him - his anecdotal assertion that a fake/suspicious watch coming from an AD is “extremely unlikely” is silly, when talking about a supposedly 5yr old NOS watch with a janked case back and from a dealer who also buys/sells secondhand watches - especially when it’s couched in belittling assertions of fearmongering
on this and other forums, maybe I’ve just seen too many people who confuse their post # stats with divinity, and speak accordingly - forgive the exhaustion
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·Foo2, between the two of us, you’re the one using memes as argument, misspelling the word “you’re,” generally neglecting to employ reading comprehension, and making baseless assertions that are obvious to anyone paying attention (eg, ADs can’t also sell secondhand watches, Trueneau isn’t an OAD, etc.) - all troll hallmarks (maybe it’s just an off day for you?)
Besides, when I troll, I like to do it meta-level:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/176-007-and-cal-1040-family-review.32325/
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Richard1977
·wait - Are you maintaining that if a business is an AD (selling mfg supplied watches), that it cannot also sell pre-owned watches?
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Richard1977
·In the Uk (where I am) any Rolex AD I’m sure can’t sell second hand wish list watches. Our big uk firm is watches of Switzerland it’s broken down in to Mappin and Webb, goldsmiths ,Mayors and watches of Switzerland shops. As far as I can tell they do sell pre owned but never above RRP so they never have subs or Daytona’s. They sell all the others pre owned too but it’s only the SS sports watches Royal Oak, Nautilus, Daytona that they couldn’t sell as all retail over RRP.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!In the Uk (where I am) any Rolex AD I’m sure can’t sell second hand wish list watches. Our big uk firm is watches of Switzerland it’s broken down in to Mappin and Webb, goldsmiths ,Mayors and watches of Switzerland shops. As far as I can tell they do sell pre owned but never above RRP so they never have subs or Daytona’s. They sell all the others pre owned too but it’s only the SS sports watches Royal Oak, Nautilus, Daytona that they couldn’t sell as all retail over RRP.
https://www.professionaljeweller.co...eaverbrooks-and-watches-of-switzerland-group/
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