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How is Novak even going to compete? I expect protests and massive jeers from the crowds. Every serve he’s going to be booed. Can’t wait to see it.

I'm feeling sorry for the people who have to play against him, because he will bring unwanted attention and as you say lots of booing (maybe more) to the matches, and it will make it difficult to focus on the actual tennis.

No mater what happens, he will play it up. If he loses it will be because of all this, if he wins he will be the hero who prevailed over the system.
 
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How is Novak even going to compete? I expect protests and massive jeers from the crowds. Every serve he’s going to be booed. Can’t wait to see it.
He will compete just fine, the jeers may well give him an extra boost. Any protests that impinge on the on court action are the responsibility of the organizers, but their control so far has been abysmal. But this will make for massive tv viewership and advertising $$$$.
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He will compete just fine, the jeers may well give him an extra boost. Any protests that impinge on the on court action are the responsibility of the organizers, but their control so far has been abysmal. But this will make for massive tv viewership and $$$$.
You ever watch him play? He will crumble. He gets bothered if somebody chews gum while he’s serving.
 
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He will compete just fine, the jeers may well give him an extra boost.

If you follow tennis at all, I don't think you would be saying this. The idea that he will feed off this doesn't really relate to how he works. If it were Medvedev, or even Kryrios, then yes 100% they would feed off this. Novaxx takes it all very personally, so this will not be good for his game.

Last year at the US Open he played a match against a Danish player who's last name is "Rune" and the crowd was chanting "Ruuuuune" when the Dane won a point. Novaxx thought people were actually booing him (not the Dane, but Novaxx). He managed to win the match but admitted after that he was really upset about it and it affected his play.

The umpires for his matches will have their work cut out for them, but there is only so much they can do. I expect pleas from tournament organizers for people to respect the players, but again there's only so much you can do short of tossing people out in large numbers, which would be a PR nightmare.
 
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You can imaging both peeved Aussies and Djokovic supporters attending.
Paraphrasing Rodney Dangerfield: "I went to a tennis match and ... a hockey game broke out!".
 
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I'm a bit surprised with how one sided this discussion has been since the thread was re-opened, especially since the narrative in the media and even amongst players who were against Novak's participation is now changing. This whole circus would have been avoided if the various levels of the Australian government and tennis association had a clear and consistent policy in place for foreign players entering Australia, i.e. those not vaccinated cannot enter the country, a policy that I'm sure many of us would support.

What I find interesting, but not surprising, is not this ongoing political debacle, but how quick people were to turn against Novak. Even now, as it becomes more apparent that he was cleared to enter Australia, people are trying to dig up whatever reason to cast a negative light on arguably the best tennis player of all time. In my view, it’s a reflection of how E. Europeans (not to mention Russians) are viewed by Western societies. It’s why E. European athletes like Djokovic, Ovechkin, Modric, Jokic who reached the pinnacle of their respective sports, will never get the public recognition they deserve. Some of the recent comments in this thread about Serbia, made by members who clearly don't know much about the country, it's people or the history and likely wouldn't be able to pinpoint it on a map are perfect illustrations of my point. I realize that many members will brush this off and pretend that prejudices don’t exist, but I figure there may be some more progressive, open minded members who will consider a different perspective.

Let’s use Pianotuna’s post as an example, which clearly suggests that any information from Serbia should be scrutinized and cannot be trusted. I wonder why that might be…Also, the suggestion that Djokovic has somehow cheated his way to 20 GS titles by using medical exemptions is pure comedy. When Federer or Nadal use a medical timeout, it’s obviously for a legitimate reason. When Novak does it, it’s so he can gain a strategic advantage. And of course, let’s dig up a story about the Balkan War and Novak’s alleged response to some allegations that were made more than a decade ago to suggest that he’s a bad guy and somehow supportive of the atrocities that were carried out during the civil war. Not only has Novak never shown any sort of hostility towards players from other Balkan countries, he is probably the first (at least high profile) player to hire a head coach from another Balkan country (Ivanisevic), but I guess that doesn’t matter since it doesn’t fit your narrative.

Your hopes that if Novak plays, he is booed and his errors are cheered, is something that Novak has had to face his entire career. Apart from smaller tournaments held in Asia and some parts of Europe, Novak goes into most matches facing a crowd that wants him to lose, regardless of who he plays. This is only amplified when Djokovic plays against Nadal or Federer, where he is up against not only his main rivals and some of the best to have ever played the game, but a crowd that explodes in celebration with every point won by Nadal/Federer and celebrates Djokovic’s errors. Anyone who thinks this wouldn’t take a toll on an athlete or trigger frustration and resentment towards the crowd is delusional. I can’t think of another top athlete over the past 25 years who has faced the kind of negative pressure or scrutiny that Djokovic has over his career.

Anyway, I’ve said what I wanted to say. I doubt I’ll revisit this thread as I’d prefer not to read any more ignorant comments about Serbs.

Here’s to the other half who will be cheering for #21 and undisputed GOAT status.
 
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What I find interesting, but not surprising, is not this ongoing political debacle, but how quick people were to turn against Novak. Even now, as it becomes more apparent that he was cleared to enter Australia, people are trying to dig up whatever reason to cast a negative light on arguably the best tennis player of all time. In my view, it’s a reflection of how E. Europeans (not to mention Russians) are viewed by Western societies. It’s why E. European athletes like Djokovic, Ovechkin, Modric, Jokic who reached the pinnacle of their respective sports, will never get the public recognition they deserve. Some of the recent comments in this thread about Serbia, made by members who clearly don't know much about the country, it's people or the history and likely wouldn't be able to pinpoint it on a map are perfect illustrations of my point. I realize that many members will brush this off and pretend that prejudices don’t exist, but I figure there may be some more progressive, open minded members who will consider a different perspective.

It sounds like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder and you are trying to make the facts fit your narrative. Reading this thread, it seems to me that the dislike for Novak has everything to do with his personality, not his nationality, and it's well-deserved. Ironically, you mention Jokic in the same sentence, who is the exact opposite ... likable, funny, humble. He was awarded the league MVP last year, even playing for a small-market team. He is widely loved, and even when he engaged in a really ugly incident, people were quick to forgive him.
 
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I'm a bit surprised with how one sided this discussion has been since the thread was re-opened, especially since the narrative in the media and even amongst players who were against Novak's participation is now changing. This whole circus would have been avoided if the various levels of the Australian government and tennis association had a clear and consistent policy in place for foreign players entering Australia, i.e. those not vaccinated cannot enter the country, a policy that I'm sure many of us would support.

What I find interesting, but not surprising, is not this ongoing political debacle, but how quick people were to turn against Novak. Even now, as it becomes more apparent that he was cleared to enter Australia, people are trying to dig up whatever reason to cast a negative light on arguably the best tennis player of all time. In my view, it’s a reflection of how E. Europeans (not to mention Russians) are viewed by Western societies. It’s why E. European athletes like Djokovic, Ovechkin, Modric, Jokic who reached the pinnacle of their respective sports, will never get the public recognition they deserve. Some of the recent comments in this thread about Serbia, made by members who clearly don't know much about the country, it's people or the history and likely wouldn't be able to pinpoint it on a map are perfect illustrations of my point. I realize that many members will brush this off and pretend that prejudices don’t exist, but I figure there may be some more progressive, open minded members who will consider a different perspective.

Let’s use Pianotuna’s post as an example, which clearly suggests that any information from Serbia should be scrutinized and cannot be trusted. I wonder why that might be…Also, the suggestion that Djokovic has somehow cheated his way to 20 GS titles by using medical exemptions is pure comedy. When Federer or Nadal use a medical timeout, it’s obviously for a legitimate reason. When Novak does it, it’s so he can gain a strategic advantage. And of course, let’s dig up a story about the Balkan War and Novak’s alleged response to some allegations that were made more than a decade ago to suggest that he’s a bad guy and somehow supportive of the atrocities that were carried out during the civil war. Not only has Novak never shown any sort of hostility towards players from other Balkan countries, he is probably the first (at least high profile) player to hire a head coach from another Balkan country (Ivanisevic), but I guess that doesn’t matter since it doesn’t fit your narrative.

Your hopes that if Novak plays, he is booed and his errors are cheered, is something that Novak has had to face his entire career. Apart from smaller tournaments held in Asia and some parts of Europe, Novak goes into most matches facing a crowd that wants him to lose, regardless of who he plays. This is only amplified when Djokovic plays against Nadal or Federer, where he is up against not only his main rivals and some of the best to have ever played the game, but a crowd that explodes in celebration with every point won by Nadal/Federer and celebrates Djokovic’s errors. Anyone who thinks this wouldn’t take a toll on an athlete or trigger frustration and resentment towards the crowd is delusional. I can’t think of another top athlete over the past 25 years who has faced the kind of negative pressure or scrutiny that Djokovic has over his career.

Anyway, I’ve said what I wanted to say. I doubt I’ll revisit this thread as I’d prefer not to read any more ignorant comments about Serbs.

Here’s to the other half who will be cheering for #21 and undisputed GOAT status.

Well God bless the sainted Superstar Superspreader. I look forward to the explanation about the December the 17th photos.
 
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Sounds like where I’m from. The car bit anyways.
He will never have the affection of tennis fans in the way Federer or Nadal even when he inevitably wins more Grand Slams, in much the same way that Serena won’t ever be remembered as fondly as Steffi. It has to do with how one handles themselves on the court. In the case of Djokovic his strategic use of medical timeouts when LOSING, specifically at the Slams with five set matches, has been written about extensively. He is a prodigious player but not admired by all.
In addition, some will recall riots at the AO between Serbian and Croatian supporters in a grassed common area with big screen while Djokovic was playing a Croat. It was alleged that the furore started when Serbs started chanting the names of the generals behind the atrocities in the Balkan conflicts (the ones who ordered women and children into school rooms then had soldiers throw grenades through windows). When this came to light Djokovic was asked by a journalist post match if he would disavow these sentiments … and most pointedly, he did not!
So, we know where stands on that score.

His timing of his second COVID experience would be, by any definition, convenient at best, dubious most likely, and fraudulent if an outright lie. As noted above, such is his status he could have a Serb doctor testify he was pregnant and some would accept such testimony.
IF his second COVID-positive IS genuine then his thoughtlessness or selfishness in attending events with children in the days immediately following his diagnosis are off the charts. However I’d table his attendance at these events as evidence his claim of second COVID is a sham.
My position remains as before. He can sod off. But if he does play, his opponents will be cheered on every point, his double faults cheered and any single thing he questions will be booed. If he tries his usual medical time out, he will cop a caning. He will be the least popular Open winner ever and if, in the unlikely event he loses, his victorious opponent will be cheered to the rafters.

About time the Serbian history is mentioned. You can shorten the events : Serbian war = Genocide. As long as the communist dictator, Tito, was in power : not a Piep. As soon as he was gone, Serbs killed every Muslim in every Neighbour village. Women and kids preferably, because they did not want Muslims to replicate . That Nazi like picture in Serbs heads , that they are the Balkans Master Race, you can still see today . That might explain a few things, because our younger USA members will not have heard about these attrocities due to their base School system avoiding international history. Which is a pity, because it would enable more Americans to draw current parallels to how Nazi's rose to power and who enabled and cheered them on. And there are still War Criminal Serbs from these murderous times hiding in Australia. Just visit the Opal mining areas, where always a few guys head straight to the Pubs back doors, if unknown faces enter the Pub. And too many questions are not welcome either. The solution there are many old , abandoned Opal mine shafts, rather not well secured and deep.... A bit of background info , why ex Yugoslavian Sport Fans behave in a certain way. And now back to Tennis....

Vanallard , yes, I've been to Serbia and other Ex- Yugoslavian countries more than once.
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Please people keep this on discussion on Novak. KEEP the politics out of it. I’m having too much fun showing what an ass Djokovic is.
 
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Apart from smaller tournaments held in Asia and some parts of Europe, Novak goes into most matches facing a crowd that wants him to lose, regardless of who he plays.
You obviously didn't watch the US Open final last September: the crowd was heavily behind Novak hoping he would win the Grand Slam. He ended up losing to Medneved (who handled himself extraordinarily I might add).
 
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A total mess. Our dear old PM was banging on about 'rules being rules' and 'no special treatment'. OK, fine, no problems there. But if the rules and associated policies/processes are a vague and self-contradictory mess, any judge is going to throw out the initial visa cancellation decision (so no surprise there). And that will happen even if the judgment has undesirable consequences. So now the Commonwealth government has to fall back on direct and discretionary Ministerial power to cancel. Don't fancy being the minister (Alex Hawke) having to deal with that little UXB. To make it clear, I do not support Djokovic or his position (other than his tennis playing, the guy is a total asshat as far as I can see) but the Commonwealth Government, Tennis Australia and the State of Victoria have all contributed in their own 'oh-so-very-special' way to this dumb-ass situation. A plague on all their Houses.
 
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now we at the last leg, see if immigration minister will over ride decision and still revoke his visa
 
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I'd like to ask the Australia folks to weigh in...I just read an article here in US that sta
I'd like to ask the Australia folks to weigh in...I just read an article here in US that stated that the public opinion in Australia is overwhelmingly negative towards Djokovic and want him to leave. Is this really true? Vaccine status or just don't like him? Curious.....

I ask because if he stays and the country doesn't want him there, the Open will be a real circus and terrible distraction to other players, won't it?
Amongst my family and friends the feeling towards Djokovic is heavily negative, although you'd probably find the same thing if you read the "comments" section of many Australian news websites.

IMHO, what particularly riles most Aussies is that the rules on medical exemptions from Covid-19 vaccination were designed to accommodate those who want to be vaccinated but are unable to do so because of allergic reactions to the vaccine components, acute medical conditions etc but unfortunately they have been exploited by a known anti-vaxxer to get into the country. The irony is certainly not lost on me because here in Victoria the state government has imposed a vaccine mandate which means that you can't work in certain industries, go to a restaurant or enter a major sporting event without proof of vaccination. Heck, I can't even spectate at my son's indoor soccer game without proof of vaccination. And yet Djokovic is allowed to enter the country and play in the Aus Open citing a medical exemption. WTF? It's no wonder so many people here are pissed off. Especially after enduring months of lockdowns and then accepting the need for vaccination to protect themselves and the broader community. There's the perception that he's received special treatment because of his celebrity status and that grates with the way Australians like to see themselves as an egalitarian society. I've also seen reports in the press here of how some people have been denied entry into this country because they were vaccinated against Covid-19 with a vaccine that has not yet been approved by the government. Hell, at least those people made the effort to get vaccinated and do the right thing. Which is more than I can say for this clown (or should it be Djoker).

All I can say is, he'd better be prepared for a hostile reception at the tournament.
 
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I’m guessing it’ll be Karen Andrews as home affairs minister that makes the call

It may well be Jenny and the girls.
 
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A total mess. Our dear old PM was banging on about 'rules being rules' and 'no special treatment'. OK, fine, no problems there. But if the rules and associated policies/processes are a vague and self-contradictory mess, any judge is going to throw out the initial visa cancellation decision (so no surprise there). And that will happen even if the judgment has undesirable consequences. So now the Commonwealth government has to fall back on direct and discretionary Ministerial power to cancel. Don't fancy being the minister (Alex Hawke) having to deal with that little UXB. To make it clear, I do not support Djokovic or his position (other than his tennis playing, the guy is a total asshat as far as I can see) but the Commonwealth Government, Tennis Australia and the State of Victoria have all contributed in their own 'oh-so-very-special' way to this dumb-ass situation. A plague on all their Houses.
Agree that the Immigration Minister (or is it Home Affairs) has discretionary powers to cancel his visa. They can always cite that the visa was cancelled on "character grounds". I mean, what kind of person tests positive for Covid-19 and then knowingly mingles with people on the very next day? Someone who will knowingly endanger the health of others? However, I can't see it happening. It's akin to flipping the Monopoly board when you're about to lose and it's not a good look.
 
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I'd like to ask the Australia folks to weigh in...I just read an article here in US that stated that the public opinion in Australia is overwhelmingly negative towards Djokovic and want him to leave. Is this really true? Vaccine status or just don't like him? Curious.....

I ask because if he stays and the country doesn't want him there, the Open will be a real circus and terrible distraction to other players, won't it?

I won't comment on Djokovic as an individual because: 1. it's irrelevant and 2. I'm still deeply prejudiced against Serbians as a result of seeing news footage from the Yugoslavian wars that I wish I'd never seen, but I do have an opinion on the current issue.

Australia, having put in place strict restrictions on entry into the country, provided the possibility of exemptions to these restrictions if certain criteria were met. Novak Djokovic quite rightly took advantage of this and successfully applied for exemption. The government saw a renowned and disliked anti-vaxer using the exemptions to bypass their border control and reacted politically. The judge quite rightly asked the question "What more could this man have done?" and found in his favour. As an Australian I can have no argument with that.
 
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The saga continues... Now there are reports in the media here in Australia that Australian Border officials are investigating whether Djokovic lied on his entry form for Australia. From The Australian newspaper this afternoon: "In the latest twist to the world No 1’s visa saga it appears he made a false declaration claiming he had not travelled in the 14 days leading up to his arrival in Melbourne." "Social media posts show Djokovic was pictured in Belgrade Serbia on December 25 playing tennis in the street and posing with handball star Petar Djordjic. He was then seen playing tennis at the Soto Tennis Academy in Sotogrande south-east Spain on December 31, 2021."