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AtomicGrog
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Storyline is it was presented to my great great grandfather around the WW1 era (could have also been before/after) for a heroic deed which is well... odd considering it's afaik gold. Originates somesomewhere around Plumstead/Welling area UK afaik. How trustworthy all that is I don't know, I'll get a refreshed from my father sometime soon.

Somewhere I also have what was described as a goldstone, a triangular gold edge mounted stone that looks like amber with gold glitters in it.

Pictures aren't great, I was playing with new iPhone and decided to take some pics of this as I've only recently joined forum.

It runs well (i.e. it will run for a day if wound up) but I purposely don't run it. I have visions of metal on metal with grime etc. not being a great outcome.

The inner of the rear case shows 375, presumably the gold hallmark and the number 580650.

Would love to know more, make, a more accurate age statement, dare I say value (albeit I'd never sell it)

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JimInOz
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I suspect it's later than WW1, the club style hands and markers are Art Nouveau style so I'd guess 1920s.
Can you measure the diameter of the movement where it sits in the case ring. It saves us looking for dozens of different sizes.

Also a focussed pic of the marks inside the caseback will tell us a lot.
The movement was imported into the UK and probably put into an English case, if you're lucky there will be a case makers mark along with the hallmarks.

As to what "brand" it is, who knows, the case maker was often not the assembler/retailer, so it will be difficult to pin down.

I think I can se a London hallmark so there should be a letter mark to tell what date the case was assayed.

Lastly, it's a very nice watch. It's begging to be serviced and worn.
 
AtomicGrog
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Hard to wear a pocket-watch in modern times. Yes it deserves a service, but moreover it deserves to be respected imho, kept safe and sound.

I'll try taking a good pic of the caseback, it was really hard, literally like a mirror reflecting the camera... and will attempt to measure it but will be a workshop tape measure, nothing particularly accurate.
 
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Now it has my grubby fingerprints on it :|

Crude measurement on the inside of the mounting ring is 34mm, till i get access to a flat ruler i cant validate better.

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Edit:

Dug this out from a different forum. Once I can only see content for via google search, soon as i actually try see the post I get a restricted message:

"LA" in a London-made case of that era usually refers either to my grandfather, Louis Audemars, who had established Louis Audemars & Co Ltd at 48 Hatton Garden in about 1910 OR to the man who made the gold cases for his imported movements - Louis Arnould - of the City Watch Case Company."
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I suspect it's later than WW1, the club style hands and markers are Art Nouveau style so I'd guess 1920s.
Can you measure the diameter of the movement where it sits in the case ring. It saves us looking for dozens of different sizes.

Also a focussed pic of the marks inside the caseback will tell us a lot.
The movement was imported into the UK and probably put into an English case, if you're lucky there will be a case makers mark along with the hallmarks.

As to what "brand" it is, who knows, the case maker was often not the assembler/retailer, so it will be difficult to pin down.

I think I can se a London hallmark so there should be a letter mark to tell what date the case was assayed.

Lastly, it's a very nice watch. It's begging to be serviced and worn.

This.
 
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Now it has my grubby fingerprints on it :|

Crude measurement on the inside of the mounting ring is 34mm, till i get access to a flat ruler i cant validate better.

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Edit:

Dug this out from a different forum. Once I can only see content for via google search, soon as i actually try see the post I get a restricted message:

"LA" in a London-made case of that era usually refers either to my grandfather, Louis Audemars, who had established Louis Audemars & Co Ltd at 48 Hatton Garden in about 1910 OR to the man who made the gold cases for his imported movements - Louis Arnould - of the City Watch Case Company."
Those to LA hallmarks most likely looked very different.
 
JimInOz
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Looking at the hallmarks, centre, top down.
9 for 9 carat gold
35 for 9ct gold
LA for case maker Louis Arnould
The leopard head on the right is the London Assay Office mark.
The gothic R on the left is the date letter, I'll have to look that up.

Edit: I think the R is the letter for 1920.
 
JimInOz
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Here's a very similar case.

Described as

. The case is 9 carat rose gold and there are hallmarks inside the hinged case back for London 1930, with a maker's mark for Louis Arnould (City Watch Case Company Ltd.)

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AtomicGrog
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Yup saw that pic on a ladies watch advert, was what lead to my comment I edited in earlier.

I'm intrigued by the face/hands. Very simple in design compared to all the equivalent era pieces I'm seeing online. Could they have been replaced? I know they wouldn't have been post 70s, that would have been when my father inherited it.

[edit] The R seems to be from 1932... it gets younger by the minute... unlike myself lol
 
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Heh, I live in Australia, it's boardies and thongs 364 days of the year eh @JimInOz

Yeah, if you're in Darwin 😁.
Not down here though.
Wednesday and Thursday it was about 17ºC, warmed up to a comfortable 20ºC or so for Friday and Saturday.
Today it's heading towards 26ºC and some hotter days to come during the week.

Now where did I store my shorts from last year?
 
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Yeah, if you're in Darwin 😁.
Not down here though.
Wednesday and Thursday it was about 17ºC, warmed up to a comfortable 20ºC or so for Friday and Saturday.
Today it's heading towards 26ºC and some hotter days to come during the week.

Now where did I store my shorts from last year?

If you're in Darwin... right... That's a little too north for me, don't really want sweat dripping into my eyes and roaches up my backside 😜
 
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Heh, I live in Australia, it's boardies and thongs 364 days of the year eh @JimInOz

Flip flops and shorts here 360 here in sunny Newport Beach,CA
 
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Sitting here on the frozen western prairies of Canada, 100 kms east of the Rocky Mountains, I can’t help but wonder if there are some folks who dream of a White Christmas such as we will be having.
 
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Sitting here on the frozen western prairies of Canada, 100 kms east of the Rocky Mountains, I can’t help but wonder if there are some folks who dream of a White Christmas such as we will be having.

Ever since I was a kid, I saw "Christmas" movies at the cinema, and later on TV. I fondly wished for snow, and snowmen, and a roast Christmas dinner with all of the trimmings.

Unfortunately, the only similarity between our Christmas feasting and the ones I'd seen on the screen, was the food.

Imagine eating roast turkey/chicken/ham and all of the side vegetables, while sitting in approx 30ºC temperatures with the Christmas cracker hat glued to your head with sweat and rivulets of perspiration running down your face.

Thankfully these days, we have switched to cold salads and seafood washed down with chilled champers and white wine, but I still have a "White Christmas" on our bucket list.
 
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Storyline is it was presented to my great great grandfather around the WW1 era (could have also been before/after) for a heroic deed which is well... odd considering it's afaik gold. Originates somesomewhere around Plumstead/Welling area UK afaik. How trustworthy all that is I don't know, I'll get a refreshed from my father sometime soon.

Ok turns out the story is (partly) correct, but this isn't the pocketwatch associated with it. If/when I get some pics of the 1910 watch I'll post em.

The heroic deed was helping a burnt lady who was working in a munitions factory around 1910+ when it exploded, she was 'burnt' naked and helped by my great great grandfather who was subsequently given the goldstone, not sure about the watch details yet.
 
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Ok turns out the story is (partly) correct, but this isn't the pocketwatch associated with it. If/when I get some pics of the 1910 watch I'll post em.

The heroic deed was helping a burnt lady who was working in a munitions factory around 1910+ when it exploded, she was 'burnt' naked and helped by my great great grandfather who was subsequently given the goldstone, not sure about the watch details yet.

I had the same situation with two pocket watches my SonInLaw asked me to look at.

One was a Swiss lever action that had been worn on the battlefield during the Boer War.

The other was an English fusee that, according to family lore, was worn in WW1.

Turns out the family history was arse about. I'll see if I can find some pics of when I serviced them.
 
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I had the same situation with two pocket watches my SonInLaw asked me to look at.

One was a Swiss lever action that had been worn on the battlefield during the Boer War.

The other was an English fusee that, according to family lore, was worn in WW1.

Turns out the family history was arse about. I'll see if I can find some pics of when I serviced them.

Duh!

It was me who had the story AAF 😬.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/an-english-lever-fusee.134578/
 
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