Help identifying anything interesting about this pocket watch

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Hello everybody. I’m Arthur and currently in London for the lockdown. I’ve been on this forum a good few times and very much enjoy the threads and the information/opinions that accompany them. I stumbled back onto the forum last week when I was Googling to see if my pre-Bond sea master was vintage or not.
I’m back today to start a discussion and hopefully gain some info about an Omega pocket watch I bought on eBay a few years ago. I bought it with the intention of using it as my daily timepiece but it stopped telling the time accurately almost instantly.
firstly thanks in advance for anyone willing to share their knowledge on this, anything at all is much appreciated as I really don’t know much about watches. A love of bond and pocket watches led me to the purchase. Also new to forums so not really sure on etiquette. I only visit one other on Norfolk broad cruisers and have never posted. I figure newbies should be polite and grateful wherever possible.
So.... a bit about the watch:
I bought it on eBay about 3yrs ago for about £200 if I remember. It was a moment of madness and as it was just higher than the previous bid I’m hoping it was about right. I know it’s not an ideal way to gauge value. The seller was a watch maker/restorer and said he’d serviced it and it was keeping time well before the sale.
I wound and wore it out a few times but found it stopped dead halfway through the walk each time so popped it in a box on a shelf and left it. I messaged the guy and he said I could send it back and he’d have a look when he had time but I was quite new to eBay and didn’t want him to just refund me and I loose out on the watch so I kept it.
Any info would be amazing, date ,style,popularity,value history etc. Cheers
I looked up the number on the inside of the case 1839843 and a few years back I remember seeing that it may have been manufactured the year Omega became Omega? This time the site dated it at 1985. Perhaps I misread it as 1885 the first time round. I believe the numbers being hidden on the inside of the mechanical part might put it at 1894-1910.
I was hoping to get it serviced and cleaned and ask the person to jot down or photograph the hidden serial number for me as I am thinking about getting an archive extract for it if that’s even possible and a nice chain and giving it to my nephew for his wedding day. Not knowing anything about it or even a rough value it might turn out to be a very poor example and cheaper to buy a nicer one for him. Looking at it myself with no experience I see the glass is pristine which would indicate a replacement and the face is very white and clean also suggesting it’s new-ish. The hands have that nice blue gunmetal colour that I’ve seen on other examples but not on the smallest hand. Is that unusual? Stamped acier which is steel I think. No logo on the face unlike other examples I’ve seen. They might not be too clear in the photos and are barely visible to my eye but there are lots of scratches inside the case back: w857. Af9828k. 7182. Afj82k etc would these be pawnbrokers marks? I wanted to give it a good clean and polish before I gift it although I very much like pea-souper dirty case. Bit of a long post but the guide did say be detailed so here it is. Cheers again! Arthur
 
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I have had a look for the notes I made first time round and the buyers description but no joy
 
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Turn of the century watch, roughly speaking. The porcelain/enamel dials generally stay quite clean and white, and it's nice that it has no cracks. The watch seems fine overall, although I would personally prefer one with a signed dial.
 
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Turn of the century watch, roughly speaking. The porcelain/enamel dials generally stay quite clean and white, and it's nice that it has no cracks. The watch seems fine overall, although I would personally prefer one with a signed dial.
Thanks for that. I’ll have a delve into dials. Cheers
 
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Your Omega watch case appears to be gunmetal. According to Donald DeCarle’s Watchmakers and Clockmakers Encyclopaedic Dictionary, the gunmetal case is not actually made on gun metal. They are “made from steel, chemically treated to make black (or blue, or brown).” Other sources say that creating the alloy involves heat treating steel using chemical salts. So you can pick the information that suits you. The mechanism is either an Omega 17L, or 19L (depends on diameter). It appears to have 15-jewels. It is not a highly adjusted chronometer meant for (for example) use on railroads. The marks inside the case back are watch repairer marks. Watchmakers keep records of repairs in their ledgers. The dial is vitreous enamel. Basically, finely powdered, opaque white glass sprinkled on a copper disk, and fired at about 1200° F in an electric kiln for about an hour, causing the glass particles to melt and flow. The black characters are likewise, vitreous enamel, fired in the same kiln. These dials will last forever if not banged around. Gunmetal had its heyday prior to WWI. With no serial number on the movement, my guess would be circa 1905-10. In my opinion, the watch is only marginally collectible. Value? Hard to say. You might have to pay about $250.00 or so, if you needed to replace it.

Omega would need the serial number of the movement (the mechanism) in order to provide an abstract on the watch. Case serial number won’t help. So, good luck on getting an abstract.
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That’s a much appreciated response. Thank you. Very interesting and gives me a lot of points to go and look into. Cheers again
 
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Not much I can add to previous excellent responses but I'll try.

White enamelled dial with Roman numerals, blued steel "Poire"style hands.

The case serial dates to about 1900, give or take a couple of years.

The "pea souper dirty case" shows a nice patina that comes with age and wear.

Any attempt to aggressively polish it will remove the protective "gun metal" coating and it will quickly rust. Just use a jewellery cleaning cloth to remove the dust and any grime.

If you cam measure the diameter of the movement it will be easier to identify the specific caliber.

 
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Awesome cheers. The lists I’ve found seem to put the case serial number between 1845-1902 ish as a few lists differ. I read in another thread that the movement serial number occasionally dates it a little later as if the cases were made and kept till the rest was ready. I’ll get it measured. And I did think about the gun metal coating being a corrosion preventative, so a gentle buff it will be.
And yes, all the responses have been excellent and appreciated. I’m going to have a look online and see if getting to the baseplate is something I can manage and see about the other serial number. I managed to refurbish an old Coleman lantern from a car boot sale using YouTube tutorials so we’ll see...
 
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Awesome cheers. The lists I’ve found seem to put the case serial number between 1845-1902 ish as a few lists differ.

No, the watch can't be much older than 1890s, it's absolutely impossible for it to be anywhere close to 1845.

Anyway, you won't learn much more from seeing the movement serial number except that it would permit you to apply for an Extract from the Archives if you want to pay for it. But frankly, I don't think it would be worth the money to pay for an Extract for this watch, which is basically a mid-range model.
 
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I am unaware that there are serial#/date tables for any watch case maker. So where you might have found a table that gives you a serial #/date information on the Omega case is a puzzle to me. I estimated circa 1905-1910 as an approximate date for your watch. I will stick with that estimate. There might be a movement s# on the pillar plate, behind the dial. I don’t know what Omega might charge for an abstract on the watch, but I doubt it will give you as much information as you have found, here. I very much doubt Omega would be able to give information on the case.
 
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I mistyped. I meant 1894 according to a list I saw for #1,000,000 and 1902 for #2,000,000. So I imagine between those. And yes it’s overkill doing an extract from the archives but if it gets gifted to the nephew and he potentially has it for 50+ years it might make it a nicer package. We’ll see. Cheers
 
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I am unaware that there are serial#/date tables for any watch case maker. So where you might have found a table that gives you a serial #/date information on the Omega case is a puzzle to me. I estimated circa 1905-1910 as an approximate date for your watch. I will stick with that estimate. There might be a movement s# on the pillar plate, behind the dial. I don’t know what Omega might charge for an abstract on the watch, but I doubt it will give you as much information as you have found, here. I very much doubt Omega would be able to give information on the case.

Probably this one (see bottom right). Extracts cost 120 Swiss francs, I believe.

 
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I mistyped. I meant 1894 according to a list I saw for #1,000,000 and 1902 for #2,000,000. So I imagine between those. And yes it’s overkill doing an extract from the archives but if it gets gifted to the nephew and he potentially has it for 50+ years it might make it a nicer package. We’ll see. Cheers

The case and the movement would have been made at different times. Collectors tend to consider the manufacturing date of the movement to be more important than that of the case. Not that it necessarily happened with yours, but movements often are transplanted to other cases.
 
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I am unaware that there are serial#/date tables for any watch case maker. So where you might have found a table that gives you a serial #/date information on the Omega case is a puzzle to me. I estimated circa 1905-1910 as an approximate date for your watch. I will stick with that estimate. There might be a movement s# on the pillar plate, behind the dial. I don’t know what Omega might charge for an abstract on the watch, but I doubt it will give you as much information as you have found, here. I very much doubt Omega would be able to give information on the case.
 
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I couldn’t send a link but this was where I read it. Should be able to find it from these
 
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The case and the movement would have been made at different times. Collectors tend to consider the manufacturing date of the movement to be more important than that of the case. Not that it necessarily happened with yours, but movements often are transplanted to other cases.
Ok that’s interesting
 
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Not much I can add to previous excellent responses but I'll try.

White enamelled dial with Roman numerals, blued steel "Poire"style hands.

The case serial dates to about 1900, give or take a couple of years.

The "pea souper dirty case" shows a nice patina that comes with age and wear.

Any attempt to aggressively polish it will remove the protective "gun metal" coating and it will quickly rust. Just use a jewellery cleaning cloth to remove the dust and any grime.

If you cam measure the diameter of the movement it will be easier to identify the specific caliber.

Not much I can add to previous excellent responses but I'll try.

White enamelled dial with Roman numerals, blued steel "Poire"style hands.

The case serial dates to about 1900, give or take a couple of years.

The "pea souper dirty case" shows a nice patina that comes with age and wear.

Any attempt to aggressively polish it will remove the protective "gun metal" coating and it will quickly rust. Just use a jewellery cleaning cloth to remove the dust and any grime.

If you cam measure the diameter of the movement it will be easier to identify the specific caliber.

it looks to be just under 41mm so that’s a 13s i believe?
 
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I was looking for a cleaning cloth as advised and was wondering if anyone had a specific suggestion or experience cleaning a gunmetal case? I looked and found several options under jewellery cleaning cloth. Obviously the gold and silver specific ones but also stainless steel and others with an impregnated first cloth and slightly abrasive secondary buffing cloth. Don’t want to make a schoolboy error and over clean as has been pointed out or are they all much of a muchness with little difference at this level? Cheers. Ooh I gave it a wind yesterday it took about 20 1/2 turns and has only lost a minute in 24hrs. I’ll carry round tomorrow and see how it holds up
 
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Also when I mentioned maybe doing an extract of the archives for it it was mainly to have a sort of official document connected to the watch. I thought seeing where it was delivered to would be nice to know where it’s journey began and it looked awfully impressive in the big red string bound folder signed in person by the CEO etc. But yeah the info here has been far more fun to learn and I gather now the extracts come in a far less grand envelope or even a PDF
 
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Also when I mentioned maybe doing an extract of the archives for it it was mainly to have a sort of official document connected to the watch. I thought seeing where it was delivered to would be nice to know where it’s journey began and it looked awfully impressive in the big red string bound folder signed in person by the CEO etc. But yeah the info here has been far more fun to learn and I gather now the extracts come in a far less grand envelope or even a PDF
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