An eBay delivery disaster

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Parcel Pro does have a FedEx option, it’s no hassle at all to select it. It’s a bit of work to set up an account, but worth it for the peace of mind imho. Why EBay would not use a proper insured shipping method such as ParcelPro boggles the mind…

In speaking with the rep, Fausto V., Parcel Pro will indeed insure FedEx shipments, but they do prefer that you use UPS and even, UPS round trip service where applicable, where you put a return label inside the package and the recipient, in this case the watchmaker, uses the included label to order UPS pick-up and return of the item. I've been patient for a month and I'll be patient for another month if that's what it takes. 😀

The idea of paying in advance for round trip service and shipping insurance in either direction is appealing.
 
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Parcel Pro will indeed insure FedEx shipments, but they do prefer that you use UPS

No surprise, given that they are owned by UPS!
 
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Is there a similar or same address in the vicinity? I am in that situation where parcels are delivered to the wrong house occasionally. We now have each other’s phone numbers just in case it happens.
 
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In speaking with the rep, Fausto V., Parcel Pro will indeed insure FedEx shipments, but they do prefer that you use UPS and even, UPS round trip service where applicable, where you put a return label inside the package and the recipient, in this case the watchmaker, uses the included label to order UPS pick-up and return of the item. I've been patient for a month and I'll be patient for another month if that's what it takes. 😀

The idea of paying in advance for round trip service and shipping insurance in either direction is appealing.

They have never, ever expressed that to me, and I have been using them for well over 10 years now...and I only ship with FedEx.

So although it might be true, there’s certainly no pressure to use UPS. Good thing in my view, because I would certainly have a problem with that...
 
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They have never, ever expressed that to me, and I have been using them for well over 10 years now...and I only ship with FedEx.

So although it might be true, there’s certainly no pressure to use UPS. Good thing in my view, because I would certainly have a problem with that...

ParcelPro is owned by (or strongly linked with) UPS so I think they might push people to that one way or another. When I've shipped UPS with ParcelPro they always inspect the contents before shipping and insist on packaging it.

So I only use FedEx 😉 No way am I letting someone see what's in there.

Maybe they are able to improve pay-outs if you follow their process though since it's more "integrated"
 
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ParcelPro is owned by (or strongly linked with) UPS so I think they might push people to that one way or another. When I've shipped UPS with ParcelPro they always inspect the contents before shipping and insist on packaging it.

So I only use FedEx 😉 No way am I letting someone see what's in there.

Maybe they are able to improve pay-outs if you follow their process though since it's more "integrated"

Yes, I know...they are owned by UPS Capital. I’ve been with them since well before UPS had ownership. When the takeover happened, there were many rumours of them eliminating FedEx as an option, so I sent them a letter stating that if they ever forced me to use UPS, they would lose me as a customer.
 
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ParcelPro is owned by (or strongly linked with) UPS so I think they might push people to that one way or another. When I've shipped UPS with ParcelPro they always inspect the contents before shipping and insist on packaging it.

So I only use FedEx 😉 No way am I letting someone see what's in there.

Maybe they are able to improve pay-outs if you follow their process though since it's more "integrated"

Yes to the above.

It may well be that they are currently approaching new clients differently from the way they work long-term clients. I was not instructed that I could not use FedEx. Clearly using FedEx remains an option. Perhaps policy in Canada differs from that within the US? The guy I have been working with, Fausto, indicated that processing a claim would be easier when no third party shipper is involved. For our regular business, we use both UPS and FedEx, with more of our shipping business going to UPS Brown. We use DHL from time to time as well.

I've been lucky so far, but now I feel it's time I move away from relying solely on good fortune.
 
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Thank you all for the thoughts and comments, and apologies for all for reminding you of this nightmare. Just to check on the forum's position: should i be giving them the call/sending the letter (informing them of my intention to pursue them under the CRA '15 for the full amount, assuming non-receipt within 48hrs) NOW, or should I be waiting until the 8-15 business days (for UPS to officially investigate) are up? Feels a little premature to be jumping in now, but it also feels strange to be sat here on a £3.3k loss, just twiddling my thumbs.
Thoughts on the best course of action...?
Thank you, as ever.
 
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Follow your guts- act now and relieve yourself of the wait.
Waiting won’t make a difference. If they were to find the watch there will still be time to change tacks.
 
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Follow your guts- act now and relieve yourself of the wait.
Waiting won’t make a difference. If they were to find the watch there will still be time to change tacks.

Yes. And send via Mail registered delivery. Give them 7 working days to solve the matter. After that, tell them , the Government body starts investigating . And copy all tracking and delivery information , screenshot and printed out. Just in case for later problems.....
 
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I think you should contact the police.
In my country at least theft of mail is a very very serious offense that generally results in prison sentences upon conviction.
And over 3000 pounds! That's a major theft, get the police involved!
 
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We escalated as high and we could go, UPS dug their heels in saying it was delivered- case closed- we had no other recourse.
Well, I disagree. You could have sued them over that $6k. All they want is for you to believe their shitty customer service is your only option.
 
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Well, I disagree. You could have sued them over that $6k. All they want is for you to believe their shitty customer service is your only option.
This was to be the next steps. Even though the vendor had refunded me, I was pissed and was doing everything I could to help make him whole.
UPS made it clear that the burden of proof was on us to show the package hasn’t been delivered…kind of hard to prove an event didn’t happen!

The police report had to be filed in the district where the package was “delivered”, so I drove 2 hours round trip to the police precinct where I had to file the police report (only printed reports in person). I spent hours on the phone with UPS (most of that time on hold), and got testimonials from the staff of our agency mail room and was working to get the CCTV footage from the time the package was marked as “delivered”. I had notified UPS that a police report was filed and an investigation was ongoing (federal agency- lost property).
That’s when the package magically appeared in a random doorway nearby.

If you shake the tree hard enough and they know you aren’t going away, they may take a harder look for it.
 
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By way of update on this, i decided to wait until the 15bd was up. I just figured there was nothing they'd do until that was up, so thought it made sense to wait that period out, and have a stronger argument to put to them, knowing i'd done as they'd asked, and waited patiently. So, after the 15 bd period expired, i called eBay to ask for an update. After telling me they'd heard nothing from UPS, and what felt like some frustration on their side at the lack of progress from UPS, the following business day, they called back to tell me they'd be refunding me the full amount. The money arrived in my account a couple of days later. I got the full amount, including the fees i'd have paid if the sale had gone ahead. i.e. they decided (rightly) my loss was the amount the buyer originally agreed to pay. I'd say this is pretty impressive on eBay's part. They made me wait for it, but probably realised that this wasn't going away, and that under the CRA '15, they didn't have much of a leg to stand on, so just thought it was best to settle and make me whole, which was the result i wanted, without quite as much pain/arguing/back-and-forth as i feared.

It just goes to show, if you're in a similar situation: be polite, and stand your ground. And ask for advice here on OF. Thank you all, and have a great weekend.
John.

EDIT: it also shows just how exposed to delivery firms we are, even if signed for, and insured (as presumably insurance wouldn't have paid out here, given the intended delivery service was 'technically' completed? would like members' thoughts on this, actually). If this was a private sale here, for example, and i was receiving back something from a sale that didn't go according to plan, i'd have been stuffed ...and so it shows we must insist on a delivery service that ensures it is the recipient who is to sign for the package, and not any Tom, Dick or Harry who happens to be within arm's length of the deliverer.
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Really glad it ended up like that for you.
And thanks for sharing.
 
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Pleased to read of a just outcome, John.

Partly as a result of this thread, I did spend about six weeks in a back-and-forth dance with Parcel Pro which resulted in my establishing an account with them and I have since sent my Enicar Sherpa Graph Mark Ib "Jim Clark" gray and white up to Ontario to have it serviced. It arrived safely and had it not, I believe that, for the first time, a watch that I have sent out has been properly insured during transit and I would have been financially protected in the case of loss, though the watch is so rare, it would not be directly replaceable.

It'll be insured the same way on the return trip.

Cheers,

Joe
 
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Glad they made you whole- eBay that is (they were good to me too on a 2-way mixed up international shipment that got lost and admitted it was an error in their sorting facility- kudos to them).
Clearly the delivery companies have no accountability which I find disgusting and not sure how it is actually legal. Covid was their new excuse for shitty service but 3 years in, this is just abusive of their customers.
 
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Very glad for you they saw the light,
And that the recovery was not exceedingly painful.
This also goes to show consumer protection laws are important and powerful.
 
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By way of update on this, i decided to wait until the 15bd was up. I just figured there was nothing they'd do until that was up, so thought it made sense to wait that period out, and have a stronger argument to put to them, knowing i'd done as they'd asked, and waited patiently. So, after the 15 bd period expired, i called eBay to ask for an update. After telling me they'd heard nothing from UPS, and what felt like some frustration on their side at the lack of progress from UPS, the following business day, they called back to tell me they'd be refunding me the full amount. The money arrived in my account a couple of days later. I got the full amount, including the fees i'd have paid if the sale had gone ahead. i.e. they decided (rightly) my loss was the amount the buyer originally agreed to pay. I'd say this is pretty impressive on eBay's part. They made me wait for it, but probably realised that this wasn't going away, and that under the CRA '15, they didn't have much of a leg to stand on, so just thought it was best to settle and make me whole, which was the result i wanted, without quite as much pain/arguing/back-and-forth as i feared.

It just goes to show, if you're in a similar situation: be polite, and stand your ground. And ask for advice here on OF. Thank you all, and have a great weekend.
John.

EDIT: it also shows just how exposed to delivery firms we are, even if signed for, and insured (as presumably insurance wouldn't have paid out here, given the intended delivery service was 'technically' completed? would like members' thoughts on this, actually). If this was a private sale here, for example, and i was receiving back something from a sale that didn't go according to plan, i'd have been stuffed ...and so it shows we must insist on a delivery service that ensures it is the recipient who is to sign for the package, and not any Tom, Dick or Harry who happens to be within arm's length of the deliverer.

In a world of mostly shit news this is some good news...

made my day sir, and so happy for your outcome!