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·Hell's teeth, I'll resurrect the sundial in that case, thanks for the heads up
You are welcome. Not an option for me unfortunately: the sun has been abolished in the United Kingdom in 1976.
Alternating the sides on which to rest one's watch
You are welcome. Not an option for me unfortunately: the sun has been abolished in the United Kingdom in 1976.
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·As others have said, you'd have to chart out the variances, because all movements are different.
I actually wear mine to bed often, and, when I don't I just throw the thing on my nightstand face up, is that seems to regulate the watch closer to zero than other positions.
I actually wear mine to bed often, and, when I don't I just throw the thing on my nightstand face up, is that seems to regulate the watch closer to zero than other positions.
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happytapy
·Sorry Guys, I am a bit of a WIS. My view its that you have to put your watch down at some stage and without your arm. If you are going to do that you may as well get into a regular habit. Thats my life, creature of habit.
So, I decided its either on its back in a night stand or on its side crown or pushers facing to the contact surface, and I do that every time without thinking. Just me.
So, I decided its either on its back in a night stand or on its side crown or pushers facing to the contact surface, and I do that every time without thinking. Just me.
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Builder
·For the Rolex and as they state in the owner manual, if you rest your watch crown up and as vertical as posible it will loss some seconds, left the watch resting over the crown verticaly and it will gain some seconds. Years ago i've owned one and I've checked this and really work that way.
This works for Rolex, don't know about Omega 2500 or later, I think this variations could be possible thanks to the escapement, but on co axial's could be different.
On my actual Seamaster I always let it rest with crown up and is keeping good time (+2sec/day), it's only have five weeks of use.
This works for Rolex, don't know about Omega 2500 or later, I think this variations could be possible thanks to the escapement, but on co axial's could be different.
On my actual Seamaster I always let it rest with crown up and is keeping good time (+2sec/day), it's only have five weeks of use.
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Nobel Prize
·I dont concern myself too much. I have a watch case with my favorites on a dresser and I just leave the watch there and pick another the next day. Otherwise it ends up on top of a book or glasses or one of the cats.
I do try to alternate the way I sleep though and that often has an effect on my sense of time.
I do try to alternate the way I sleep though and that often has an effect on my sense of time.
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··IG: #blubarb19I just spoon with my Speedmaster. Seems to work for me. Why don't you try that Sebastian? I don't want to be rude either, Sebastian, but If that doesn't work for you then walk it outside and throw it in your wheely-bin laden. 😲
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··IG: #blubarb19There is no benefit to the watch, regardless of how you place it, when it is off the wrist. However, there may be an effect to the rate of time keeping of the watch in the various positions. It can be useful to know which positions in which the watch gains, or loses, or maintains an accurate rate. To determine that, you would need to draw up a chart which has headers over a column for DATE, P/U (*), P/L (*), P/D (*), P/R (*), F/U (*), F/D (*), RATE GAIN, RATE LOSS, and RE-SET. Choose a time source that is convenient, and stick with it only. When you take the watch off, set it to your time source, mark your chart with date, mark position, place the watch in that position. Check the rate in the morning and mark seconds (fast or slow). If there is a position in which there is no variation, put a 0 in gain and loss.
Repeat the above each time after re-setting the watch, and you'll soon have an idea how to place it to compensate for rate variation when you wear it. Every watch is different as to how it might react to such a test. There is no "one size fits all" answer.
If you don't see predictable, repetitious rates over these tests, the watch might benefit from servicing. If you don't choose to go to all this trouble, wear it and enjoy it.
* pendant UP, pendant LEFT, pendant DOWN, pendant RIGHT, face UP, face DOWN.
Great advice!
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orbistat
·This thread is quite Alahming.....
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Sebastian Tombs
·I wouldn't have started it if only I Jihad the idea…
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··IG: #blubarb19I wouldn't have started it if only I Jihad the idea…
Boom boom. I'm here Thurs to Sat. Try the veal!
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·My Speedy Pro was displaying a change in accuracy since going overseas. I determined it was slightly magnetised. Back in the UK it would run a steady +2-5spd, and I'd rest it dial up overnight. Since de-magging it (I'm still overseas) I noticed it was running ever so lightly slow (maybe -1-3spd). I remembered that by resting it crown up, it ran slightly fast. Since then I've been tracking the accuracy. If it's a bit fast, I'll rest it dial up, or wear as normal (as it's a bit slow while on the wrist). If a slow, crown up. I've been doing this now for 10 days, and in that time it has gained a total of 1.2seconds!
I'm still a little concerned that the 'default' rate, i.e. on the wrist, is a little slow, but for now I'm happy I can self-regulate it, at least until get back to the UK.
I'm still a little concerned that the 'default' rate, i.e. on the wrist, is a little slow, but for now I'm happy I can self-regulate it, at least until get back to the UK.
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·I am not certain how much better performance you might expect out of a fine chronometer. Mechanical watches are subject to external influences that don't affect quartz watches. But it sounds as though you know how to control the rate to the extent that you should rarely have to re-set it.......until you forget to wind it.😁
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·Not 'better', per se, more consistent. Previously it ran a consistent rate regardless of activity, winding, etc. Now it's a bit more irregular, although predictable. And I'd prefer it to be slightly on the fast side if anything. Anyway, I am more than happy with how accurate it is running, just intrigued as to have different factors afffect the running in various ways. it's all part of my horological education and bond with the watch. Only forgotten to wind it to the point where it stops once!!
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·My Speedy Pro was displaying a change in accuracy since going overseas. I determined it was slightly magnetised. Back in the UK it would run a steady +2-5spd, and I'd rest it dial up overnight. Since de-magging it (I'm still overseas) I noticed it was running ever so lightly slow (maybe -1-3spd). I remembered that by resting it crown up, it ran slightly fast. Since then I've been tracking the accuracy. If it's a bit fast, I'll rest it dial up, or wear as normal (as it's a bit slow while on the wrist). If a slow, crown up. I've been doing this now for 10 days, and in that time it has gained a total of 1.2seconds!
I'm still a little concerned that the 'default' rate, i.e. on the wrist, is a little slow, but for now I'm happy I can self-regulate it, at least until get back to the UK.
Thank you for your contribution Maximus. I must admit that while I know that there may be slight variations depending on resting position, I wouldn't have thought this to be a phenomenon so 'measurable'. The way you describe the position you adopt for your watch in order to correct the rate either way is going to be very useful to me. When time (and will) allows I will start charting the rate of mine. I synchronised my Rolex with the British National Physics Institute's atomic clock NTP server last Monday at 9:20 a.m., I am waiting until tomorrow to check the accuracy of the watch for the first time. Wish me luck 😀 I then will see what can be done and if it can be trickled down to my Omega as well. Thanks again!
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Sebastian Tombs
·For the Rolex and as they state in the owner manual, if you rest your watch crown up and as vertical as posible it will loss some seconds, left the watch resting over the crown verticaly and it will gain some seconds. Years ago i've owned one and I've checked this and really work that way.
This works for Rolex, don't know about Omega 2500 or later, I think this variations could be possible thanks to the escapement, but on co axial's could be different.
On my actual Seamaster I always let it rest with crown up and is keeping good time (+2sec/day), it's only have five weeks of use.
Thank you Builder. I must have either missed this information on the Rolex manual due to hastiness, or it's not there at all because frankly I can't remember coming across anything mentioning watch position and accuracy. I will double-check the manual. Thank you for the information!
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··IG: #blubarb19I use the Atomic Clock App. With this I can modulate varying rest positions when the mood takes me or I become obsessive for a day or two. But it passes and I learn to enjoy the time I have with my watches or they have with me ;-)
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··IG: #blubarb19This pops up from time to time.
Check this out: http://www.fourtane.com/fourtane-blog/keeping-your-rolex-accurate
Nice pics if nothing else.
Check this out: http://www.fourtane.com/fourtane-blog/keeping-your-rolex-accurate
Nice pics if nothing else.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThis pops up from time to time.
Check this out: http://www.fourtane.com/fourtane-blog/keeping-your-rolex-accurate
I really wish this Rolex form would go away, as it is usually brought up in a thread like this and is very misleading. I doubt this is included with any modern Rolex (not sure because no modern Rolex interests me) and this is something from the past. I can tell you that lots of Rolex watches that have come through my shop don't follow this pattern.
All mechanical watches will have some level of positional variation, even if it is a COSC watch. I'm not sure if Rolex actually introduced a known error into every watch they made at some point to control what positions were fast and slow, but I can tell you this chart does not work for every watch or even every Rolex. If it does work, it's pure luck.
As was stated earlier in this thread the only way to know what positions run fast, slow, or have no effect on daily rate for a given watch is to check the watch in each position.
Just looking at current specs for a modern Omega COSC watch, the timing is measured over 5 positions, and the variation over those 5 can be as much as 12 seconds and it can still be in spec. Remember COSC numbers that everyone quotes are for the average rate, meaning the average of those 5 readings will be from -4 to +6 seconds per day. This calculation gives equal weight to the 5 positions, so if your watch spends more time in one of those 5 positions, the average will be affected. Also note that no one wears a watch in only those 5 specific positions...it will be in an almost endless number of positions during the day.
Omega has tolerances for average rate of -1 to +6 seconds, so it's completely possible that one of those 5 positions will be slower than -1. If that happens to be the position you have the watch in a good part of the day, then the watch may wear out of spec, but can be fully in spec based on the tests.
Cheers, Al
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·Thank you for your contribution Maximus. I must admit that while I know that there may be slight variations depending on resting position, I wouldn't have thought this to be a phenomenon so 'measurable'. The way you describe the position you adopt for your watch in order to correct the rate either way is going to be very useful to me. When time (and will) allows I will start charting the rate of mine. I synchronised my Rolex with the British National Physics Institute's atomic clock NTP server last Monday at 9:20 a.m., I am waiting until tomorrow to check the accuracy of the watch for the first time. Wish me luck 😀 I then will see what can be done and if it can be trickled down to my Omega as well. Thanks again!
As you can see, the rate is all over the place - this is due to my switching between wearing and different resting positions in order to keep the overall accuracy high. In this instance, when I hacked the watch it was actually just over a second behind the atomic time, which slightly skews the data. However you can see that in over 10 days, the average rate is just +0.3spd! It had an offset of -0.9s at last measurement, so I will now rest it crown up overnight to slightly speed it up to correct. If it goes a little fast, no matter - I know it'll slow down again slightly when I wear it tomorrow!
