as far as the watch in question it's always useful to confirm with UV light a well. radium should fade very quickly if it takes a charge and tritium will last a few seconds longer. also in my experience, radium will max out the Radex easily (9.99 μsev/hr) whereas tritium will not

 

I very much doubt that any of the devises here will be able to measure tritium. It’s energy is to low to pass much through the steel and glass of a watch.

From Wikipedia:

Tritium is a naturally occurring radioactive form of hydrogen that is produced in the atmosphere when cosmic rays collide with air molecules. ... Tritium emits a weak form of radiation, a low-energy beta particle similar to an electron. The tritium radiation does not travel very far in air and cannot penetrate the skin.

 

Although the watches new owner probably cares little for this conjecture, I will commit to more tests in the next few weeks and report back.

I have 2 different radiation detectors and a UV light.

Radiation detectors do not detect Tritium in my experience.

I may also remove the dial if I feel so inclined.

 

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Is that Amagnetic yours ?!? That’s insanely beautiful and I only ever remember seeing one other with a lumed dial like that.

 

Yes, I bought it many years ago.

I remember posting it on a Patek forum in the mid 2000s, the "experts" told me it was a fake!!!

There are only 6 radium 3417s known.

 

Fairly similar to my 1940s Tissot:



Worn case, wrong hands, relumed and partially redialed. By far, far the watch I get most positive comments and selling inquiries about

 

Oinkitt, if you told us from the beginning that you are a collector of fake watch and redialed this discussion would be more simple

 

I never set out to collect fakes and redials but it appears I am drawn to them. I've only been collecting since 1984 so I'm just a novice..... I must be due to find a gooden soon!!!

Hopefully by participating in the OF, by the grace of Woden, and with the guidance of the experts here, I will get learned on what to look for in a real watch.

I sure hope so!!!!

 

Hey @oinkitt, here’s another OF specialty called «thread drift »: instead of dwelling on those presumptive fakes and redials, how about you show us a couple shots of some other watches of yours that you like and think others (experts or non experts) might appreciate?

(edit/ add: other than the beautiful Patek Philippe of course)

 

Well.... I'm not sure what others appreciate. I'm somewhat of a watch whore, I like anything with a dial, hands and a bit of age.

I'm wearing this watch today, I really like it!!!

I find the green dial quite pleasing.

 

And I think this one for tomorrow. I might even get off my ass and finally replace the crown after putting it off for 20 years!!

 

And this one for Tuesday.



Hopefully that satiates you S.

 

This one is quite unbelievable- and would satiate anyone I think.

 

If I can just lend a story on “expert opinions”:
My parents were avid art collectors. They traveled the world for business and would collect what they liked and could afford- which were usually signed prints, original artist’s sketches and litho’s. Back in the 70’s the art market was different than it is now- there were bargains if you had a keen eye for modernism.
I grew playing in rooms with Picasso, Kilmt, Seargent, Nagel, Chagall, lots of Lalique glass and pre-Columbia’s artifacts around which I had to be careful when throwing balls around the house.

After my parents divorced they split the art based on their taste- they ammicably bought each-other out of the collections. When my mother and step-father moved to the east coast, they had the collection re-appraised for insurance. This collection had been appraised in Los Angeles by at least 3 different appraisers for insurance purposes over the years and all verified as authentic. My step-father brought in the new appraiser and one piece he questioned was a Chagall hand colored print- saying that he wasn’t familiar with the piece, nor was it referenced in any of his catalogs- so it must be a fake. My step-father being a blow-hard, easily jumping to conclusions, and having a bit of animosity towards my father (who originally acquired the Chagall) immediately sided with this appraiser and cried fake. My mother asked for a second opinion but my blow-hard step-father said no need!! -an expert had given his opinion.
They gave me the Chagall considering it was worthless so would make good wall decor in my apartment while I was in college. 20 years later I had an art conservator over for dinner and immedialty upon walking into my living room saw the print from across the room and said “oh, you have a Chagal!”. I told her the story, she laughed and blurted out “that guy didn’t know shit”. She spent the next 10 minutes talking about the piece, the symbolism in it, and the period in Chagal’s life when he made it.
Always get multiple opinions and reserve judgement until there is a consensus from multiple sources- nobody can be an expert of everything and there are always variations that you may have not seen.

 

So finally such quick judgement from "expert" are fine for someone at least !
JwRosenthal you win a Chagall and oinkitt's friend's daugther win the UG.

 

Oky doky ... well, I guess we will never really know the whole story of the subject dial. This thread has become un moored and is now adrift. We took a whack at peeling the onion a bit. If one day another such dial appears we shall have this thread as searchable for reference.

 

Holy moly that is beautiful. Has anyone called "dibs" already?

 

In case anyone was wondering how they got the Radium in the hands and on the dial.

 

Hmmm .....OSHA would not approve the abuse of the wee folk. Note the lack of protective gear.

 

It was fine to do it like this last year. OSHA needs to continually come up with new restrictions to justify their continued existence, similar to MADD