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Advice on Vintage Speedy Pre Moon?

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Unfortunately, the I can't order one being from the states. Any solutions for me here?

You can, email [email protected] and they'll give you a form you can fill out and fax to them. Takes a little while (6-8 weeks) but it's doable.
 
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You can, email [email protected] and they'll give you a form you can fill out and fax to them. Takes a little while (6-8 weeks) but it's doable.
Thanks, I shot them an email. I hope that goofy dial goes for bookoo bucks 👍
 
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Little update on this guy - got my MWO book unpacked and have been flipping through it. I am thinking B3. Spaced T (1966/67-69) as the reference (p.94). I am still reading and looking through the distinct features though.
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Also got the case back off and got some "new" numbers. I was pretty far off so I am not sure if we are still in the range on the cal. 321 for the case. (Haven't gotten that far in the book yet...)
Serial # 26,55X,XXX

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is it me or does his "T" look a little too wide?
MWO states, "Spaced T's in T SWISS MADE T inscription (Ts between 32.0 and 31.8 seconds, left, and between 28.2 and 28.0 seconds, right)"

My left T's staff is just a hair to the left of the 31.8 (so in their parameter). My right T's staff is similarly a hair to the right of 28.2 (so in their parameter).

I am striking out with the extract. Any chance a nice non-US member would let me ship one to their house? I would obviously compensate you for shipping across the pond. It's a bummer I can't just order one myself.
 
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MWO states, "Spaced T's in T SWISS MADE T inscription (Ts between 32.0 and 31.8 seconds, left, and between 28.2 and 28.0 seconds, right)"

My left T's staff is just a hair to the left of the 31.8 (so in their parameter). My right T's staff is similarly a hair to the right of 28.2 (so in their parameter).

I am striking out with the extract. Any chance a nice non-US member would let me ship one to their house? I would obviously compensate you for shipping across the pond. It's a bummer I can't just order one myself.
Call a US OB they will email you a form
To fill out and you can fax it back to them.
 
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Call a US OB they will email you a form
To fill out and you can fax it back to them.
Not to sound incredibly dense, but do you have any suggestions for a decent one? Wyoming isn't known for their Omega Boutiques haha. This watch is definitely making read a little closer through my MWO book, thanks again @DLT222!

After running the serial number on Ilovemyspeedmaster (https://omegaforums.net/threads/speedmaster-production-dates-with-production-query-tool.59392/) I am only more curious.

Extract Prediction
1968, November

Moonwatch Only Tables
1967-68/69, ST145.012-67,-68, Caliber 321
1966-69, ST105.003-65,ST145.003, Caliber 321

 
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Not to sound incredibly dense, but do you have any suggestions for a decent one? Wyoming isn't known for their Omega Boutiques haha. This watch is definitely making read a little closer through my MWO book, thanks again @DLT222!

After running the serial number on Ilovemyspeedmaster (https://omegaforums.net/threads/speedmaster-production-dates-with-production-query-tool.59392/) I am only more curious.

Extract Prediction
1968, November

Moonwatch Only Tables
1967-68/69, ST145.012-67,-68, Caliber 321
1966-69, ST105.003-65,ST145.003, Caliber 321
Costa Mesa, CA seems to have their shit together. Based on my and others interactions with them.
‭(714) 850-0558‬
 
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Thanks @Foo2rama

I will go ahead and give them a call tomorrow. Now with the actual serial # I am starting to think I may have a replacement casebook? Guess I will find out soon enough. The extract is definitely worth it in my mind, even if the piece eventually gets sold. Thanks again
 
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If I was a gambler I would put money this number is not from a 105.012

(Sorry)
 
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Pretty sure the caseband is a 105.012-66HF.
 
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Sorry
That's life my friend! I appreciate all the information.

This has been a bit of an adventure, I can see why @oddboy loves it so much. It was a pretty expensive adventure, but one I am sure I will repeat again (after loads more research).

Turns out not having the serial number pegged down until a month later really hampered any success on verification. So at the end of the day it looks like I have an incorrect case back, BUT still a really neat (and still valuable) watch.
 
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The dial as discussed before is some version of a B3, but it has some differences which are curious but again, do not necessarily mean anything shady is going on.

Unfortunately the movement probably is not original. I believe the caseback is original to the watch, perhaps everything else is, but not the movement.
 
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Interesting that they would put a movement that is only a couple years newer in it? I guess anything is possible.

The B3 on page 94 includes the date for the dial. I will look at MWO to see if I can find any case differences. What makes you think it is the wrong movement instead of the wrong case back? @abrod520
 
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Interesting that they would put a movement that is only a couple years newer in it? I guess anything is possible.

The B3 on page 94 includes the date for the dial. I will look at MWO to see if I can find any case differences. What makes you think it is the wrong movement instead of the wrong case back? @abrod520

The case is a 105.012, with short pushers. The pushers on your watch are original, and were not added later at a service. As far as I know, they can't be fit to 145.012 cases either.

The movement is fairly late for a 145.012 as well, though it does fall into the proper range.

You have a very good-looking watch, and the original pushers are a huge plus for any 105.012, but I'm afraid the movement was most likely added after the watch was produced. It's not impossible that it was indeed produced by the factory ~2 years after most other 105.012-66 movements, and I do encourage you to seek an Extract to see if that might be the case, but I think that it'll either tell you it's a 145.012 (or, hopefully not, Seamaster) or they'll give you the "Information not available" runaround that might indicate it's not original.
 
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Adam has some excellent point there. As a point of reference, my 145.012-68 is 26,554,xxx. Thats the end of the 321s except for a small batch in 27,320,xxxx.

Cal.861 started at 26,555,xxx I think. I'll find a thread with good info. (Update, https://omegaforums.net/threads/transition-to-the-transitional.47466/)

In any event, order an extract. If you submit it with case ref 105.012 and they say they don't have records, try again with case ref 145.012.
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Is that 3 in 30 observed in more wide spaced T's dials?

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Is that 3 in 30 observed in more wide spaced T's dials?

Undoubtedly there's something strange about the dial, but I can't say with certainty that it's wrong. I do wonder if it had worn down in places and was touched up - but I do believe that whatever happened, it did indeed start life as a wide-T, long-index stepped dial. I don't think it's a service dial as I don't recall seeing or hearing of any stepped service dials.

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To @WYO_Watch, I don't know how much you paid for it, and I can't tell you what to do with it but if it were my watch I would lie in wait for a cheap 105.012 that has been festooned with service parts, and swap the movements.
 
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I think something is off to the AML too. It looks different and the feets look wider.
 
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But I find it hard to believe that a fake dial would look so good..
 
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