Advice on Vintage Speedy Pre Moon?

WYO_Watch · Jul 13, 2017

All,

I have truly been bitten by the Speedy bug. Unfortunately I am not nearly as knowledgeable as my peers here. I have an opportunity to pick up a vintage piece and would love some guidance. I may not be able to keep this piece, so I also wouldn't mind a true FMV in case it must get passed along. Initial research says around $8k?

Serial number 26,55X,XXX million
Case reference 105 012 66 hf

Pro list:
Bezel looks great
321 looks to all be are there (quite clean)
Not sure if it's original but it does have applied logo dial

Con list is:
Potentially incorrect hands?
Almost certain to need a serviced
Loose bracelet

Question list:
Case back is marked 105 012 66 - HF. Is this consistent with the serial number?
Is the dial correct or a replacement?
What is FMV?
If I pick it up is this a reference worthy of getting an extract?

And of course what are your comments and honest opinions 👍 thanks for your help!

*Edited serial number

Cad290 · Jul 13, 2017

In my professional opinion, it sold on eBay 2 weeks ago for $7,488.

Foo2rama · Jul 13, 2017

Holtzer bracelet?

Wrong Chrono hand but presents well.

Serial number is in range but need more numbers to be sure.

Honestly I put this about 9.5k usd if not higher. More if it's s Holtzer bracelet.

WYO_Watch · Jul 13, 2017

Foo2rama
Holtzer bracelet?

Not entirely sure - but I can ask for some photos.

WYO_Watch · Jul 13, 2017

Cad290
In my professional opinion, it sold on eBay 2 weeks ago for $7,488.

Does that mean it's FMV is 7,488?

It didn't sell to me, but maybe it sold to someone here...

Foo2rama · Jul 13, 2017

WYO_Watch
Does that mean it's FMV is 7,488?

It didn't sell to me, but maybe it sold to someone here...

Is this watch being offered to you?

Are you sure it's not a scam using eBay pictures?

WYO_Watch · Jul 13, 2017

Foo2rama
Is this watch being offered to you?

Are you sure it's not a scam using eBay pictures?

Yes it is being offered to me. I am certain it isn't a scam. I have received additional photos and video as well.

Cad290 · Jul 13, 2017

It's not the same pictures as eBay, but it is the same watch. eBay is s pretty good way to find FMV over a week's time. A lot of people on this forum are watching all the vintage speedy auctions I'm sure

KJH666 · Jul 13, 2017

The hands are not a problem, STS or Simon Freese will sort that for you and match any new hands being used to the dial, obviously you can also tick off a service movement whilst it is there.

Foo2rama · Jul 13, 2017

KJH666
The hands are not a problem, STS or Simon Freese will sort that for you and match any new hands being used to the dial, obviously you can also tick off a service movement whilst it is there.

You still have to source the correct hand. They cannot tell you if it's a service movement or not. An extract would give you the best info.

WYO_Watch · Jul 13, 2017

Foo2rama
They cannot tell you if it's a service movement or not.

I think he was saying I could get it serviced while it is there. Which is a great idea - supposedly been sittting in a box since the 90s.

WYO_Watch · Jul 13, 2017

Cad290
but it is the same watch.

Thanks for pointing it out. That is one reason I love the forum. It's not just knowledge of watches but also sales history.

I pulled the trigger on it - should be here tomorrow! See if I can get some pictures and work on tracking some correct hands and service down. I am thinking I will extract it as well, especially if it will add that layer of protection for me and Amy subsequent buyers.

Now to reduce the price on my watch I have listed and get it sold!

KJH666 · Jul 13, 2017

WYO_Watch
I think he was saying I could get it serviced while it is there. Which is a great idea - supposedly been sittting in a box since the 90s.

Sorry, yes. I should have said movement service and not service movement, if there is such a thing. Modern correct hands are available and STS or Simon can work on them to age them and match them to dial.

t_swiss_t · Jul 13, 2017

@WYO_Watch - the main issue that I can see doesn't seem to have been brought up. The "Omega Speedmaster Professional" text is suspect. Check it against other examples. Looking at some other 105.012's on Speedy101 (I haven't downloaded the MWO app yet so recheck there), the Professional text looks poorly done without serifs and is somewhat shortened vertically, amongst other issues with the font.

I would put a hold on it if you still can while this is sorted out. Speedy guru's - if I'm off base, please call me out! @Spacefruit @oddboy @dsio

Foo2rama · Jul 13, 2017

ahantel
@WYO_Watch - the main issue that I can see doesn't seem to have been brought up. The "Omega Speedmaster Professional" text is suspect. Check it against other examples. Looking at some other 105.012's on Speedy101 (I haven't downloaded the MWO app yet so recheck there), the Professional text looks poorly done without serifs and is somewhat shortened vertically, amongst other issues with the font.

I would put a hold on it if you still can while this is sorted out. Speedy guru's - if I'm off base, please call me out! @Spacefruit @oddboy @dsio

I personally disagree with that assessment in the dial font for this reference and provided picture quality.

WYO_Watch · Jul 13, 2017

Foo2rama
I personally disagree with that assessment in the dial font for this reference and provided picture quality.

This is a relief since it's in the mail - I will post some better photos tomorrow once it's in my hands. I am really excited about this piece, unfortunately I need to think about thinning down the herd again 🙁

abrod520 · Jul 13, 2017

I had the same reaction to the dial, it looks off in some way, but I'm not sure there's actually anything wrong with it. Closest I can say is that the serifs on the S in Speedmaster are a little more closed than on most wide-T 321 dials. Also note the R, which on the OP watch is much more dropped and rounded.

Lastly, the AML on the OP watch has longer and thinner feet than those I've seen.

Wide-T dial, 145.012:

Narrow-T dial, 105.012

OP dial:

Spacing's a little off between "OMEGA" and the AML too.

I do not know what is going on and cannot pronounce it as fake/redone.

This is an image of a wide-T 105.012-66 from elsewhere on this site (found via Google):

Paging @Spacefruit on this.

t_swiss_t · Jul 13, 2017

Foo2rama
I personally disagree with that assessment in the dial font for this reference and provided picture quality.

@abrod520 thanks for being specific, this is what I was trying to articulate. Top is the MWO 105.012 wide T dial, bottom is the OP's dial. In the word professional - The D part of the R seems to hang over the lower part of the right "foot" of the R. The O's look wider. The middle bar of the E looks higher. The general spacing looks much closer together.

These are just suspicions but I would rather be safe, just trying to help the OP.

abrod520 · Jul 13, 2017

The thing about this is the text displays the hallmarks (if not the same exact touches) of official Omega dials so I wonder if this might have been some sort of service dial.

Davidt · Jul 13, 2017

abrod520
This is an image of a wide-T 105.012-66 from elsewhere on this site (found via Google):

Paging @Spacefruit on this.

Ooh I recognise that watch!

Advice on Vintage Speedy Pre Moon?

WYO_Watch

Cad290

Foo2rama

WYO_Watch

WYO_Watch

Foo2rama

WYO_Watch

Cad290

KJH666

Foo2rama

WYO_Watch

WYO_Watch

KJH666

t_swiss_t

Foo2rama

WYO_Watch

abrod520

t_swiss_t

abrod520

Davidt

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