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afnios1
路follow your heart.
Advice needed: trading LE Speedmasters for Jaeger-LeCoultre Tribute to Polaris
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Wetworks
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Among the cavalcade of Speedies, I would think these don't come across everyone's path all too often, but I'd guess you'd know better.
As for the JLC, to me it comes across as a really well-done restoration of a vintage watch. If that's what the OP is going for, then I guess he's struck gol...err, platinum. As always, buy what you like.
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ras47
路Thank you for the info @ras47. The actual Rolex RSP in South Africa is US$8 600, but you can't get hold of one. The other problem is that you pay a 10% customs value plus 14% VAT on the importation of a watch. Dealers/Traders in SA know that, hence the higher prices being charged, i.e. the US$9 500 is SA equals US$8 190 pre-importation price - shipping and exchange rate volatility excluded (our currency devalued by 3% against the US Dollar on Friday because of the IED on the tube in London.
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PhilN
路Ah, South Africa. My sister lived there for 10 years (Journalism). SA's tariff situation is rough. I remember that Mercedes cars were fairly common and Toyotas were luxury cars. The import tariffs doubled the price of Toyotas while Mercedes had a factory in the country and enjoyed no import tariffs. Anyway, I'm a huge Springboks fan. 馃榾
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Archer
路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerAmong the cavalcade of Speedies, I would think these don't come across everyone's path all too often, but I'd guess you'd know better.
As for the JLC, to me it comes across as a really well-done restoration of a vintage watch. If that's what the OP is going for, then I guess he's struck gol...err, platinum. As always, buy what you like.
I know words don't tend to be taken the way they should be these days - people often use "literally" when the thing that they are talking about is clearly not. "I was literally dying with laughter" for example is one I've heard someone say...no actually, you weren't literally dying...馃檮
None of the Speedies listed is "unique" in that they are all produced in significant numbers. They may be hard to replace - don't know as I'm not in the market for any of them, but they are certainly not unique. If how exclusive these are is of any consequence (it would not be to me personally for the record) the JLC is far more "limited" than any of the Speedmasters.
I'm not surprised that the majority of people on an Omega forum would swing towards the Omegas - it's expected. I personally own a Speedmaster Pro, and have owned a couple of modern JLC's. One I still own is a Master Compressor Memovox alarm watch - it's an older model than the Polaris and in stainless, but it's similar enough for me to make a judgement. I know the Speedmaster is an iconic watch, and I do enjoy mine greatly, but it's simply not on the same level quality wise as the JLC is.
None of this accounts for personal taste of course, and that is going to be a factor that only the OP can determine for himself.
Cheers, Al
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red1108nyc
路Dear Esteemed Members
I am refocusing my watch collection and to achieve certain objectives I am considering trading 3 of my limited edition Speedmasters (Apollo 13 25th Anniversary LE of 999 UNWORN, Apollo 13 45th Anniversary Silver Snoopy LE of 1970 BNIB and Apollo 11 40th Anniversary LE of 7969 MINT) for a JLC Tribute to Polaris LE of 165 in Platinum.
It has taken a lot of time searching, begging, convincing my wife, money, etc. to build up my Speedmaster collection - I will still be left with 5 Speedmasters and awaiting my ST and 60th Anniversary. Doing the maths I believe it is a fair trade, but am I doing the right thing?
Your advise will be appreciated. I do love all 3 Speedmasters but I would also like to add the JLC to my collection.
My refocus is based on 4 categories:
1. Pilot watches
2. Mechanical alarm watches
3. Speedmasters pre-moon
4. Divers watches
Just purchased the Glash眉tte Original Senator Diary as well therefore I have to start trading to buy another.
If there is an itch, you need to scratch it.
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LeonDeBayonne
路If u really like the style of the watch and a noble metal is not important then get the SS version JLC released which seems very similar. I also think that this is too much of trade for what u are getting. If this were for a Lange or Patek then perhaps but not for this JLC model.
JLC released 2 steel versions.
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Nobel Prize
路Great watches all.... A lot of speedies n your collection, seems like not all of them being used. I would keep the snoopy and maybe trade the ST instead which IMO will loose more steam and value than the snoopy.
Yes, the JLC looses value faster than the speedies.....in fact the speedies gain value while the JLC does not, but it's a whole other level of watchmaking. Also the economics only matter of you collect as investment. On numbers alone the speedies are a better investment. But the JLC is a better horological piece.
as watches go, One is a mid level sports/ tool watch and the other a high level watchmaker. And yes, Omega is not at the level of JLC, vaucheron, Patek etc
But, think also in terms of what completes your collection. Are you so speedy centric that you will pine until you can get those watches back into the collection? Are you trading/ selling at a price when, in the next years, you will spend more than you're getting now in order to re-purchase the snoopy ( for example) or....are you confident these do nothing for you right now and the JLC ( whether you wear it or not) is a piece you will always be happy to have there.
It's not easy.... As for me, I would get the JLC, but think carefully what I give away for it.
Full disclosure, I sold my speedies....I have a JLC, the same @Archer has, the Master Compressor Memovox. I may get a FOIS or the Blue at some point. The JLC doesn't get as much wrist time as other watches I have and sometimes I consider selling.....but it manages to hold on.
Good luck
Yes, the JLC looses value faster than the speedies.....in fact the speedies gain value while the JLC does not, but it's a whole other level of watchmaking. Also the economics only matter of you collect as investment. On numbers alone the speedies are a better investment. But the JLC is a better horological piece.
as watches go, One is a mid level sports/ tool watch and the other a high level watchmaker. And yes, Omega is not at the level of JLC, vaucheron, Patek etc
But, think also in terms of what completes your collection. Are you so speedy centric that you will pine until you can get those watches back into the collection? Are you trading/ selling at a price when, in the next years, you will spend more than you're getting now in order to re-purchase the snoopy ( for example) or....are you confident these do nothing for you right now and the JLC ( whether you wear it or not) is a piece you will always be happy to have there.
It's not easy.... As for me, I would get the JLC, but think carefully what I give away for it.
Full disclosure, I sold my speedies....I have a JLC, the same @Archer has, the Master Compressor Memovox. I may get a FOIS or the Blue at some point. The JLC doesn't get as much wrist time as other watches I have and sometimes I consider selling.....but it manages to hold on.
Good luck
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alfanator
路For that amount why not get an original Polaris?
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w.finkenstaedt
路as watches go, One is a mid level sports/ tool watch and the other a high level watchmaker. And yes, Omega is not at the level of JLC, vaucheron, Patek etc
JLC is really the same tier as Omega, they just make different watches; they're a far more traditional manufacture. Their finishing will be on the same tier as Omega. All done by machine, basic Geneva waves, mostly free sprung balances, etc.
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dukerules
路That's a lot to give up. I'd do it for a TTP '68 (one of my favorite watches, full stop), but probably not the TTP '65.
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Nobel Prize
路JLC is not the same tier as VC and Patek. They're a movement manufacture first and foremost. Even their extreme high end pieces aren't finished to the level that comparable independents are like Greubel Forsey, MB&F, et al.
JLC is really the same tier as Omega, they just make different watches; they're a far more traditional manufacture. Their finishing will be on the same tier as Omega. All done by machine, basic Geneva waves, mostly free sprung balances, etc.
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Archer
路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerFair point.....I would then place them somewhere between the Omega tier and the VC Patek tier. Not at par with Omega or even Rolex. My opinion...maybe I'm wrong
I agree. Omega is simply not at the same level as JLC is...period.
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noelekal
路路Home For Wayward WatchesI must be the only person in the world who is not fond of Snoopy Speedies, or most of the other Speedmaster commemoratives for that matter, only admiring a few of them for their unique styling cues. I'd be willing to own and wear that JLC.
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djmusicman
路Send me a private message if you do decide to sell the Apollo 13 25th Anniversary 馃榾
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lhawli
路Would be tough to let the silver snoopy go. But I would take that JLC over any of these speedies and source myself a nice vintage non-LE speedy.
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sgrossma
路Maybe it's time to cash in on that Snoopy, anyway. You've seen incredible price appreciation on that watch and while anything is possible I would be shocked to see it go higher in modern times. There comes a point when you need to choose between a 6k retail snoopy and some seriously interesting 15-17k watches.
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