A simple guide to buying a watch on this forum

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Morning gang,

A few weeks ago I put up two Marvin Flying Dutchmen watches for sale.

I have spent more time replying to DMs on these than anything else I have ever listed for sale.

DMs about things I cannot answer - want the history of the model or the brand? Go find it, I am not google.

DMs telling me that the prices were too high - despite these being two of the best condition and cheapest flying Dutchmen for sale globally.

DMs asking me which straps will look best.

DMs lowballing the shit out of my very reasonable asks and then getting cross when I say no thank you.

One of the watches sold via eBay - I’m happy, and the buyer is happy, but someone who was messaging me here isn’t because he “wanted the watch”. Tough titties little man. A grown up put their money where their mouth is, and payed me, while you were still trying to get the watch for nothing.

Yesterday there were two people DMing about the remaining watch - haggling over price, taking 12 plus hours between replies - and while they were dicking about, someone on Instagram messaged me, paid me, and has now got the watch.

Out of courtesy, I told the people DMing me that the watch was now sold. One is now disappointed because he “thought we had a deal”.

So, let’s just lay a few things out for people who seem to be confused on the whole how to buy a watch from a fellow collector on this forum thing:

1 - talk to the person selling the watch
2 - get the info you need or accept that the seller isn’t google and go find it yourself
3 - decide you would like or not like the watch
4 - if you don’t want the watch, walk away and tell the seller like a grownup
5 - if you do want the watch agree a price and payment method that you’re both happy with
6 - exchange details and pay the seller
7 - the seller gets the watch to you in the method agreed
8 - happiness

Ahead of point 5, you don’t have a deal - simple

Ahead of of point 6, you haven’t “bought” the watch - also simple

Hopefully this will help some of the sub 10 post/registered last week but want to buy (I suspect stock for their shops) folk, to buy things successfully or GTFO - either way is a win.
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Jeez... I'd read posts on this forum from people saying how much hassle it was to sell watches these days and I couldn't really understand why. This is very enlightening and somewhat depressing. I'm glad you sold the watch, it's a real shame you had a better experience on insta.
 
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Second that this should be stickied. The nerve of some people ...
Sorry that you had this experience with the Dark Side of the Moo...(essage boards). Too many people are just dead set on the "fact" that the world revolves around them, and them only.
 
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Will you take Aussie dollars?

(Sorry Chris, couldn't resist).

I'm a bit more direct.

1. Pay for the watch.
2. Wait for the watch.
3. Thank the seller and leave a decent feedback.

Joking aside, this should be part of the "rules" for selling/buying here.
 
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Cheapskates with a sense of entitlement are the worst sort of buyers and totally put me off selling watches completely. I don't have the patience to deal with that sort of crap.

Glad you sold the Marvins via other avenues Chris. The persons dicking around didnt deserve the watches anyway
 
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Works both ways, unfortunately. Last year I saw a listing (not on this forum) for a vintage chronograph with a "Landeron movement." The movement clearly was not a Landeron, but the watch looked to be in good shape and the price was attractive. "Buy the seller" as they say, so I thought I'd query him about his certainty on the movement. To my (very) polite inquiry, he responded with a bit of outrage at my temerity and claimed that his watchmaker assured him of the movement's identity. That was enough to dissuade me from the purchase, but I wondered if maybe I was wrong, so I followed up by asking which pusher stopped the chronograph once it had been started. At that point he completely lost it, accusing me of insulting him, wasting his time, and being "stupid" for not knowing how chronographs worked. He suggested that a basic Google search would teach me how to use a chronograph, and that they all worked the same way. I wonder if he ever sold that watch.

(For those not familiar with vintage Landeron movements, they are a bit unique in that it's the 4 o'clock pusher that stops the chronograph.)

Updated to add: As @Dan S points out, the Landeron 149 (and 189) does have traditional pusher operation, unlike all their other movements.
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The Summer Watch Doldrums are particularly heavy this year and it's brought out the clowns. I need to sell a couple watches and I've been offered 60% of my asking prices by a few people, and when I've resisted the urge to respond 'LOL no' they've then asked me if I'm 'flexible on price' - like we'll agree to something after that silly opening offer 🙄 🤦
 
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Jeez... I'd read posts on this forum from people saying how much hassle it was to sell watches these days and I couldn't really understand why. This is very enlightening and somewhat depressing. I'm glad you sold the watch, it's a real shame you had a better experience on insta.

Yeah, I've been reluctant to post to the sales section here because of stories like this. Instead, I've still been selling cheaper pieces on eBay. I have a few nicer things that I'd prefer to try and sell on OF, but feel like I need to plan ahead and set aside lots of time for the potential flood of DMs and responding to people with a 1-2 post history who suddenly have a lot of questions.

I will say that all of my buying experiences have been quick, easy, and pleasant.
 
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Have you sent this thread to the low ballers and ditherers?

Maybe one could add a line in the FS listings, «price not open for negotiation — only members with over 50 post or one year membership will get a reply in the event you try nonetheless».
Something like that.
 
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I can't be the only one who searched 'Marvin Flying Dutchman' in the private sales?

Those were very good sales posts, great descriptions and pics. It's especially frustrating when you place a fair and low price on a nice piece with the intent of making a quick sale but people don't respect that.

I have a friend who has a storefront who says it often takes more time to sell a $500 watch than a $5000 watch. People who buy more expensive watches tend to know more about what they want and what they are buying. (But that's not always true, just a nice story.)

Something similar happens to me on Craigslist. I can put something up for sale for ten dollars just to get it out of the house. No calls, or if they do call, ask me if I'll take 5 dollars. But when I put that same item up for free, I'll get 25 responses almost immediately.

Thanks for sharing and venting. Nice to know that others have had similar experiences.
 
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The Summer Watch Doldrums are particularly heavy this year and it's brought out the clowns. I need to sell a couple watches and I've been offered 60% of my asking prices by a few people, and when I've resisted the urge to respond 'LOL no' they've then asked me if I'm 'flexible on price' - like we'll agree to something after that silly opening offer 🙄 🤦

I've on occasion refused to even negotiate or counter when I get a low-ball; buyer barely even using full sentences and justification for low price based on criteria already factored into pricing in the listing. I'd rather hold on to a watch longer out of principle, than sell to someone with no tact or etiquette. This is a hobby after all.
 
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(For those not familiar with vintage Landeron movements, they are a bit unique in that it's the 4 o'clock pusher that stops the chronograph.)
True for many of the Landeron movements, but not the cal 149.

Hopefully this will help some of the sub 10 post/registered last week but want to buy (I suspect stock for their shops) folk, to buy things successfully or GTFO - either way is a win.
I have a very short fuse with lurkers/new-members who contact me about buying a watch. In some cases, they have been great, and I've established good relationships with people who just don't like to post very much. However, if I get a whiff of a tire-kicker or someone who is going to ask endless irrelevant questions and beat me up over a few dollars, I just politely tell them that the watch is probably not for them. I've done this a lot, TBH. But to be fair, I also do it on IG. I may have missed out on a few sales, but I just don't want to deal with the aggravation.

Established OF members are my favorite buyers (and sellers), so I will almost always offer a watch here first. But TBH, most watches do not sell here.
 
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One of the other watches I have for sale, the Omega Marine Chronometer, also appears to attract people who aren’t obviously interested/able to buy.

To be Frank, it’s a niche watch, and if you haven’t tried one on, you should not even be considering dropping cash.

And yet - “That’s a cool watch. Do you have a wristshot? It just hard for me to imagine it on the wrist due to the unusual shape”.

Time waster ahoy.
 
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...buyer barely even using full sentences...
This is a peeve of mine. I try to understand that English isn't everyone's first language, etc. But I quickly disqualify people who can't form complete sentences or coherent thoughts. Or use punctuation. Or bother to say Hello and Thank You. I don't know what it is about the internet that makes people think it's fine to address strangers like they're drunk texting their friends.

I'd rather hold on to a watch longer out of principle, than sell to someone with no tact or etiquette.
This all the way.
 
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Shit…I usually just send “mine” and ask how to pay in one PM





Tell a lie…I usually ask for the advertised price as a all in 😁😁 (which 8/10 is agreed on)
 
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On a related note, I have been receiving more PM questions from people with low thread counts recently, typically with questions relating to eBay, or other online vintage watches for sale. And while some have been polite, to the others: don't bother asking for help a second time!

Also, there's a pretty reliable 'tell' – the less polite enquiries are typically made by people who do not include their names in the initial messages.
 
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If I knew you were getting all that trouble I would have DM’d you with the stupidest questions possible just to troll
 
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If I knew you were getting all that trouble I would have DM’d you with the stupidest questions possible just to troll

You would have had an awful lot of competition