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spacemission
·Which one are you referring to? The vintage or the modern?
A new brown dial Speedmaster
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M'Bob
·Patrizzi style.
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Tag0935
·I don't know why this kind of dial is so highly valued.
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gilb12
·Beautiful 👍
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Dan S
·I don't know why this kind of dial is so highly valued.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Patrizzi style.
In a world of uniformity and mass production, some people want to step out of the line and value uniqueness. When most Speedmasters have a black dial, any outlier becomes attractive (to them). Some people value the damaged/patinated dials, while others want a factory-new, perfect condition. The free market can please everyone and decide the price.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Sorry, I don't get it. Could you please explain?
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Tag0935
·Oh, I see, no, I am a bag of meat and bones 😀 I guess I went a bit philosophical there...
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ACC1965
·I personally love the warmth of the dial. Especially when set against a the bezel fading towards blue.
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ACC1965
·Slightly off topic here but I was just thinking this the other day…
Omega made a modern brown dial a decade ago, and they were not LEs but at the same time they were never big sellers. Since then those Ref 311.30.42.30.13.001 sapphire sandwich models, which were made as a tribute to the watches posted above have almost fallen off the map entirely. I haven’t seen one on eBay in auction form, or here, or even in the WRUW thread in ages, which makes me wonder if they might be one of the least common modern Moonwatch models to have not really gone up in price and demand.
Is this an example?
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Yes, although the photos in that listing are not even close to reality. See the attached photos above for a more real brown hue.
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Vinz Clortho
·Yeah, there's something different about a vintage speedie. There's a warmth and personality each one contrasted against the sterile precision of the current edition. Is the new 3861 superior in technology, yes, but in 50 years it will still look brand new. It won't have the character of a bygone era when the space race was in full swing.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThey are different and some people (including me) find them appealing, but TBH the added value is generally fairly modest. The speedmaster101 articles suggests a 4x-5x multiple, and maybe that was true at one time, but I don't think that's common. These days, I would be surprised to see more than a 50% premium, and generally less.
This one was bought by a customer of mine from a large well known dealer. The movement had many issues, but the dial was very even...maybe too even...
The minute wheel post had worn, and the previous watch hack had replaced it - just a tiny bit of play there, eh?
He had ground down a winding stem, and jammed it in a hole:
It was properly repaired before it went back:
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Dan S
·They seemed to be more of a thing a few years ago. I've seen plenty up close during servicing, and generally if the colour isn't even, I'm not personally a fan. The few that I have seen that were very even, made me question if they were artificially aged. So overall it's just not my thing, but still I understand why people like them.
This one was bought by a customer of mine from a large well known dealer. The movement had many issues, but the dial was very even...maybe too even...
The minute wheel post had worn, and the previous watch hack had replaced it - just a tiny bit of play there, eh?
He had ground down a winding stem, and jammed it in a hole:
It was properly repaired before it went back:
At one time, I had another brown dial 145.022-69 in one of the correct serial ranges, but the dial wasn't as appealing and the overall condition wasn't as good. I don't think I got a premium for it at all when I sold it.
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ACC1965
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Was it common for the tropic dials to also have the blue dials? I think the blue and brown really complimented each other in the most unpredicted beautiful way.
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Was it common for the tropic dials to also have the blue dials? I think the blue and brown really complimented each other in the most unpredicted beautiful way.
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pitbos
·@Archer - were the brown dials you questioned within or outside of the know serial range for browns?
I find the experience of looking at an inky black dial Speedmaster equally satisfying to looking at a nice rich even brown dial. For me, both are worth owning in a collection, and because the market places a premium to own a brown, than I pay to play.
I find the experience of looking at an inky black dial Speedmaster equally satisfying to looking at a nice rich even brown dial. For me, both are worth owning in a collection, and because the market places a premium to own a brown, than I pay to play.
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ATWG
·I love brown dials as well, and the one from OP is quite appealing. They’re mesmerizing in sunlight.
Here is mine next to a ‘71.
Here is mine next to a ‘71.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified Watchmaker@Archer - were the brown dials you questioned within or outside of the know serial range for browns?
I find the experience of looking at an inky black dial Speedmaster equally satisfying to looking at a nice rich even brown dial. For me, both are worth owning in a collection, and because the market places a premium to own a brown, than I pay to play.
