A manifesto

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Every so often people accuse me of things, reading my posts with their attitudes and not mine.

So, let me help.

There are collectors on this forum, people who are not collectors on this forum, and people who just have a nice watch they want to learn more about it and they stumble on this forum.

There is no one position that is 100% right for everyone. Many of you adore Constellations, for example, and a significant number of you people like C-cased Constellations. When you find one you like, I am happy for you. For me? Meh.

There are some of you who have definite opinions. One you seem to have is "DON'T SEND YOUR WATCH TO OMEGA!"

Just who do you think you are, anyways? What really torques me is when one of you new people with fewer than a hundred posts "shouts" that same thing.

That is no way to educate someone. All you do is produce little clones of yourselves. If that's your goal, I can't say I have any respect for it.

Many postings I've made are to give the alternatives the best I can in a particular situation so the person who owns the watch can make her own decision.

I actually do take "collectability" into account, not that the opinions here are the only ones online. There are plenty of other watch forums. I swear some of you don't want people to change their watches because you want to make sure the pool of candidates are greater for yourselves.

Yes, factory service is an alternative. If that's what someone wants to do with her property, it is none of your damned business. You may have seen me mentioning I've been sending my modern watches to Nesbit's, because Omega's Miami service center can't find their collective asses with both hands.

I have also just been accused of not caring for originality or whatever you consider collectibility for my own small accumulation, which is a steaming load of crap. It is true that I do not care for damage; I have passed on plenty of watches for multiple reasons. None of my vintage Omega watches have refinished dials. I have one with a refinished case; my watchmaker is very talented in that way. I preserve crowns when I have been able to, because my watchmaker is very good at replacing crown gaskets.

You also know what I care about? Function. When I buy a vintage watch, it is my intent to have it restored to as-delivered function as often as possible. New mainspring? All for it. New balance staff? No objection here! I've replaced significant movement components if they could not be repaired. Most of my vintage watches run inside five seconds a day, because I pay more to have the movement restored to as close to as-new as is reasonably possible.

So before you jerk your knee at something I write, just remember these few things:

- That person's watch isn't yours. By all means recommend, and give reasons. If you can't give reasons, STFU.
- I'm agreeing with you more often than not.
- I do care about many of the same things you do, whether you realize it or not. You've seen my watches. Look again if you need to.

And, by all means, have fun and relax a bit. You'll be happier in the long run. I'm sorry I missed the IBM Model M digression, I have a Model M Space Saver of my own with a factory USB cable that I use for my technical writing job!
 
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People come here for advice on Omegas from people that collect them and know things about them, its not rude at all to offer that advice including to not get a factory service as we have had many people get very deflated or sad not knowing that sending dad’s watch off would lead to it coming back with a replacement dial that doesn’t really match among other things.

They are recommendations and nobody is putting a gun to anybody’s head, I wouldn’t wind myself up about it mate.
 
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People come here for advice on Omegas from people that collect them and know things about them, its not rude at all to offer that advice including to not get a factory service

In fairness to SP I think he is suggesting one should give a reason if you're going to advise one course of action over another. I'm a newbie myself, and I would suggest not going to Omega for a service. But coming from me it would be second-hand advice picked up from reading regulars here. So I'd feel obligated to mention that, and why I learned it was a bad idea. SP is right on this.

There are plenty of "contributors" on any given thread who declare things in the shortest, bluntest sentence possible because they think it makes them sound authoritive. It doesn't. It makes them sound like they're parroting a meaningless meme.

That said, SP should probably call people out directly when he sees it. That kind of in-thread argy-bargy is much more entertaining for the rest of us than a rant or "manifesto" given out of context.
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The OP has stated his case, which lays out the rationale of his responses to many of the "what can I do with this vintage Omega" posts we receive.

I don't see it as a rant, just a simple explanation of his views in order that others are aware of his stance on other suggestions.

The "Don't send it to Omega" mantra has become a bit of a catch cry, but in certain cases it's well warranted.
On the other hand, the recommendation to ONLY use a suitable independent watchmaker is also an option to be considered.

It basically boils down to the wishes and expectations of the person seeking advice, and if they can evaluate various suggestions from us all, and come back with their choice, we can then go with pros and cons.

Now my post is sure to kick up a bit of a storm, so I shall retire and pour myself a wee dram of Talisker Storm.
 
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The "Don't send it to Omega" mantra has become a bit of a catch cry, but in certain cases it's well warranted.

It is well warranted, because even if the person eventually decides that is what they want, it really shouldn't be a decision that is made in haste or taken lightly. In some cases if they do send it to Omega, the worst that might happen is the hands are replaced with new hands that look odd on an old dial, and since they send the old hands back, that is something that can be reversed.

The real issue is the irreversible things that Omega may do. Refinishing the case, refinishing the dial - those can't be reversed. So in my view the first advice that should be given is not to send it to omega...until the person is educated on what may happen should they do so, and has time to consider fully what they want. It may be a catch phrase, but "do nothing" is the best initial advice that can be given to someone completely new who shows up with no experience, and doing nothing includes not sending it to Omega.

If after considering all these things, they still want to send it to Omega, I'm all for that if that's what they want. But most people do thank us when they find out that Omega doesn't necessarily care to maintain any sort of originality. From what I've seen, this really isn't a problem with the people who this advice is given to, it's a problem for people who want to push back on the advice.
 
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There is no one position that is 100% right for everyone

Wait - do you mean to suggest that some people really do hold Hodinkee in high regard? 😁
 
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It is up to a poster to ask informed questions, up to the membership to opine and back to the poster to digest, follow up if need be and make a decision. Full stop. Sometimes collectibility is not the primary objective.
 
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It is up to a poster to ask informed questions, up to the membership to opine and back to the poster to digest, follow up if need be and make a decision. Full stop. Sometimes collectibility is not the primary objective.

Agreed, collectability is not always the prime objective. There are plenty of people out there who want their vintage watches to look brand new, and if that's what they want, I'm completely fine with that. In fact I've sent watches off to Bienne for people who want just that, so I'm not against it if that's what the owner really wants.

However, asking informed questions is tough for someone who just inherited a watch and knows nothing about watches, or how service works, and what Omega might do. "Don't send it to Omega" has become a shorthand for really saying "You should take time to fully understand things before you make a decision." This clearly rubs people (mostly one person) the wrong way, and yes it could be explained better and in more detail, but until the person has had the discussion you refer to and makes a decision, it's still sound advice.
 
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Perhaps there should be a sticky entitled:

“Advise for all new members who just inherited or bought their first Omega”

A) If you plan to sell your watch, do nothing to it, don’t even clean it, post crisp well lit pictures with a very clear description on eBay with a .99 starting bid and you will get fair market value for it.

B) if you plan to keep the watch but have no plans of wearing it, put it in a safe place and don’t service or attempt to clean it.

C) if you plan to wear your watch and want to retain the historic character- warts and all- bring it to an independent watchmaker with an Omega parts account and specify your desires (polishing a crystal of scratches is fine and won’t affect value- polishing the case will affect value).

D) if you would like your watch to be returned to “like new” appearance and performance, in addition to a qualified independent watchmaker with factory account, sending the watch to Omega may be your best choice as they will replace all parts that are out of spec (including dial and hands if they are damaged) and will refinish the case- this will affect collectible value however, so be advised.
 
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I volunteered to write such a sticky and was rudely rebuffed, that it was not necessary.
 
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I volunteered to write such a sticky and was rudely rebuffed, that it was not necessary.
I’m sure some think it isn’t, but I am used to getting constant requests at work for the same kind of services and we maintain a folder of form letters to answer these kinds of questions.
 
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+1 for sticky re service/restoration of older pieces, for new collectors.

I was on the fence of Botoxing this gal back 50 years, but JwR said "wtf yo".
Lets just say I ain't never taking this gal to the club.

(That's knitting club, soffiticatded gentleman and all.)
 
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+1 for sticky re service/restoration of older pieces, for new collectors.

I was on the fence of Botoxing this gal back 50 years, but JwR said "wtf yo".
Lets just say I ain't never taking this gal to the club.

(That's knitting club, soffiticatded gentleman and all.)
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