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Luca79

·Feb 26, 2020

I've been studying a lot about pre-moon Speedmasters lately, but I may still miss some details, and with a watch of this caliber that I'm considering getting, I'd better be sure everything is ok.

What can we tell from the pics of this 2998-6?
Thank you very much for your help.

 

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momosono

·Feb 26, 2020

For me a watch with a name engraved (other than my own or that of a relative or else someone extremely well known) is a nono

 

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eugeneandresson

·Feb 26, 2020

L Luca79

I've been studying a lot about pre-moon Speedmasters lately, but I may still miss some details, and with a watch of this caliber that I'm considering getting, I'd better be sure everything is ok.

Why don't you tell us what you have learnt, by analyzing this watch you appear to be interested in spending hard earned coin on, so that we can potentially help you along?

 

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Dan S

·Feb 26, 2020

Well, it is certainly an attractive piece. There is a lot of helpful information here: https://speedmaster101.com/2998-3/

 

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bazamu

·Feb 26, 2020

momosono

For me a watch with a name engraved (other than my own or that of a relative or else someone extremely well known) is a nono

And for others, it adds to the appeal. I personally like them, as it adds to the idea that the watch lived an entire life before it found it's way to you.

 

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Luca79

·Feb 26, 2020

What I’ve learnt suggests me that the dial looks ok, with a nice patina but not abused at all.
Bezel looks original with DON and in great condition.
Case condition reflects its age but is coherent with the very good overall watch shape, so maybe it was not even polished.
Hands look good but I’m not sure about the non-triangular lume.

As for the overall aesthetic, everyone has his preferences but I’d appreciate your opinion.

Thanks again

 

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eugeneandresson

·Feb 26, 2020

L Luca79

Hands look good but I’m not sure about the non-triangular lume.

https://speedmaster101.com/blog/2998-alpha-hand-length/
http://speedmaster101.wpengine.com/blog/and-now-the-alpha-minute-hands-for-the-2998/
https://speedmaster101.com/blog/further-2998-hand-observations/

Always tricky with the hands...my feeling (without reevaluating these fantastic pages) is they look good...

L Luca79

As for the overall aesthetic, everyone has his preferences but I’d appreciate your opinion.

I like it. Its an attractive watch.

 

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kingsrider

·Feb 26, 2020

I don't have a problem with the engraved caseback. German and German delivery point 👍
Goss Gerau BGA appears to be an auto service center?

 

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Nobel Prize

·Feb 26, 2020

Watch looks good to me ( not a guarantee as I’m not a big expert on this reference)

curious about that bracelet . Can you take pics of the clasp and interior?

 

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Passover

·Feb 26, 2020

kingsrider

Goss Gerau BGA appears to be an auto service center?

I already tried to find out about the engraving:

"Groß Gerau" is a town in Germany

In this town there used to be a factory for steel products owned by a family with the name "Faulstroh"

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Maybe the watch belong to a member of this family...

 

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gemini4

·Feb 26, 2020·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

1) The reference is a 2998-61, not a 2998-6
2) Is the lume radium or tritium? The later 2998s were where the lume material changed. Need a GC reading to be sure.
3) IMHO most later 2998s, 105.002s have the triangular lume hour hand. I think MWO indicates that this type of hour hand is correct with a 2998-61 but I think the straight lume hour hand is more prevalent on 2998-1 thru 2998-4 ish
4) The Certificate from 2007 is perhaps less comfort than a later dated extract (say 2014 to present). It is said that older extracts/certificates contained information provided by the owner and not necessarily verified by Omega files. Example: Modern day Omega extracts do not indicate the sub reference or sales price.

 

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chronoboy64

·Feb 26, 2020

Hi, I think it might be a nice watch.
But I am a bit confused by the pics you shared. some pics show very worn and matching pushers and on the pic with the caseback the pushers look like new (may be from a different watch).
Can you explain please ?
Thanks

 

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airansun

·Feb 26, 2020

gemini4

IMHO most later 2998s, 105.002s have the triangular lume hour hand. I think MWO indicates that this type of hour hand is correct with a 2998-61 but I think the straight lume hour hand is more prevalent on 2998-1 thru 2998-4 ish

I share that understanding.

Regarding vintage alpha hands, I’ve also learned that observing the hands in hand (😉) is necessary for me to be sure that a set is correct. I’ve seen modern hands that have been bent to imitate the arch of the originals. (That’s how expensive these hands are these days, particularly those with triangular lume.)

These particular OP hands do look vintage, from what I can see.

 

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Dan S

·Feb 26, 2020

chronoboy64

Hi, I think it might be a nice watch.
But I am a bit confused by the pics you shared. some pics show very worn and matching pushers and on the pic with the caseback the pushers look like new (may be from a different watch).
Can you explain please ?
Thanks

And let's get the full scoop on the dual wedding rings. 😉

 

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MTROIS

·Feb 26, 2020

What about the red box in the last pic? Is that part of the sale?
Is that a proper format for this watch?
I know that earlier boxes were rectangular shaped, not square, but not sure about the standard for 2998-61s.

 

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watchyouwant

·Feb 26, 2020

Service hands and definitely polished case. Which is ok. It is nearly 60 years old......what do you expect? Lume on dial and hands too similar for me, should be more different on different surfaces.....good watch anyway. All comes down to price here. Kind regards. Achim

 

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Luca79

·Feb 27, 2020

What would be a fair price for such a piece?

 

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Passover

·Feb 27, 2020

L Luca79

What would be a fair price for such a piece?

As I see it is offered as "Price on request" did you already contact the seller?

 

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marco

·Feb 27, 2020

ChicagoFrog

And for others, it adds to the appeal. I personally like them, as it adds to the idea that the watch lived an entire life before it found it's way to you.

I too was not keen on engraving but it was pointed out to me it actually adds to its originality and provenance especially if you buy from the person who "is " mentioned on the engraving and know the story regarding the occasion that the watch celebrated.