2998-1 on June 11th NYC Phillips auction

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Hello! I am looking for a 2998. I was thinking about later ones, as I don’t have endless budget but this 2998-1 wonders me. The estimates are really low: $12k-24k. So I wonder why is that.

Its very low reference number so its one of the first 2998. Awasome.

Dial looks pretty nice to me.

The lume is not perfect. There is some lack of it here and there but I find the colour really attractive and I belive it should look beautiful live. The print is blurry between 4 and 5. But nothing really bad.

1000 bezel is ghosted. Became grey. The colour is quite even which makes me wonder is it real one or done by a human. But anyway who would do that to original 1000 bezel. So is it a fake or not? Any specialists on that case?

Hands looks flat, dont they? The lume matches really good to hour indexes. Subdials hands look correct to me.

Lollipop looks great. But not perfect which is even better for me. What do you think about it. I’m sure there’s a lot of specialists who can see way more than me.

Case has an inventary number on a lug which bothers me a little bit but also shows there were not intense polishing made as probably someone would polish off also that number then.

Crown is correct, right?

Overall I really like this watch and I wonder why estimates are low. Anyone? Please point to me what I havent noticed. Thanks!
 
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From what little I know about the auction world, Phillips always seems to be notoriously on the conservative side of there estimates. Taking into account that the hammer price may well exceed the estimate plus the buyers premium my guess would be the all in amount would be much closer to whatever market value is for these.
 
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It is an attractive watch. The estimate is designed to attract.

It is unlikely to stay below the high estimate, once you factor in the premium.

I would agree with your suspicion on the hands, and the lume they carry, including the lume on the lollipop.

I would be concerned about the case back which appears to have a reduced circumference on the back as a result of polishing. It’s a very small thing but once you notice it you notice it. And it’s all about noticing these things before you buy not after - and it wouldn’t stop me

however bear in mind a polished case back is something that happens to a prepared watch.

and with these 2998 they’re often highly prepared before going into auction.

One could argue there is nothing wrong with that, but on the other hand an original watch will feel different to this.

That said this is a highly desirable specification, to have the base 1000 bezel and the small indices dial is a real plus. As I said I do think it’s attractive and it will be very interesting to see where it ends up.

The thing about this sort of watch is that it takes all the boxes, but to someone like me my Spidey sense is tingling because of the replaced hands, and the polished case back.

It is also possible that these photographs are very flattering in terms of the colouring of the dial and the indices.

I’m sorry if this post is a little bit stream of consciousness, but I am torn because I am thinking that I ought to like it because of the colouring and the rare specification but there is something that would hold me back bidding myself. Perhaps tomorrow I will return to the pictures and change my mind, this has happened before.

oh yes - get a Geiger reading before bidding, not that it is conclusive that any radium is original, but it can tell you when there is none (it should have radium, but some sellers just dab some under dial).
 
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I've used auctions many times over the years and have learned one thing; a high estimate generates LESS interest than a lower estimate. You have to have faith in your consignment, and the auction house. Set your reserve price (the minimum you will accept), which is usually the low estimate price, and let the system work. I've only had one or two watches that didn't make me far more than the low estimate price, and usually much more than the high estimate price. It's a psychological game, people will take more interest in a price that seems fair and attainable rather than a price that looks overly high signalling an over optimistic, maybe greedy, seller.
 
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I've used auctions many times over the years and have learned one thing; a high estimate generates LESS interest than a lower estimate. You have to have faith in your consignment, and the auction house. Set your reserve price (the minimum you will accept), which is usually the low estimate price, and let the system work. I've only had one or two watches that didn't make me far more than the low estimate price, and usually much more than the high estimate price. It's a psychological game, people will take more interest in a price that seems fair and attainable rather than a price that looks overly high signalling an over optimistic, maybe greedy, seller.

Thanks! You’re right. In my case, or maybe I should say in this case, I am suspicious as even high estimate seems too atractive to me.
 
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It is an attractive watch. The estimate is designed to attract.

It is unlikely to stay below the high estimate, once you factor in the premium.

I would agree with your suspicion on the hands, and the lume they carry, including the lume on the lollipop.

I would be concerned about the case back which appears to have a reduced circumference on the back as a result of polishing. It’s a very small thing but once you notice it you notice it. And it’s all about noticing these things before you buy not after - and it wouldn’t stop me

however bear in mind a polished case back is something that happens to a prepared watch.

and with these 2998 they’re often highly prepared before going into auction.

One could argue there is nothing wrong with that, but on the other hand an original watch will feel different to this.

That said this is a highly desirable specification, to have the base 1000 bezel and the small indices dial is a real plus. As I said I do think it’s attractive and it will be very interesting to see where it ends up.

The thing about this sort of watch is that it takes all the boxes, but to someone like me my Spidey sense is tingling because of the replaced hands, and the polished case back.

It is also possible that these photographs are very flattering in terms of the colouring of the dial and the indices.

I’m sorry if this post is a little bit stream of consciousness, but I am torn because I am thinking that I ought to like it because of the colouring and the rare specification but there is something that would hold me back bidding myself. Perhaps tomorrow I will return to the pictures and change my mind, this has happened before.

oh yes - get a Geiger reading before bidding, not that it is conclusive that any radium is original, but it can tell you when there is none (it should have radium, but some sellers just dab some under dial).
Thanks William for your great knowledge as always! Yes, I heard also about cheating Geiger. It looks if you want to cheat you always find a way. And what do you think about this bezel? As an expert. Looks original. Just this even faded colour looks a bit too perfect for me.
 
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From what little I know about the auction world, Phillips always seems to be notoriously on the conservative side of there estimates. Taking into account that the hammer price may well exceed the estimate plus the buyers premium my guess would be the all in amount would be much closer to whatever market value is for these.
Got it, thanks!
 
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a low estimate is to lure more potential buyers
In this lot high estimate looks attractive to me as well!
 
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Really nice watch, even if replacement hands. But I would be very surprised if all in the watch does not go for double high estimate. We shall see.
 
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I went to Phillips to see their watches since it is not too far from my office. They told me that me it registered on a geiger counter. Of course that could be set up as others have noted in this thread so take that for what it is worth. I am not in the market for a 2998 but it was very attractive.

Personally I think the 2913 they have on offer is the real show stopper.
 
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Wrist shot:



Case is pretty polished but everything else is pretty nice. A good wearer example if it goes for a sane price
 
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Personally I think the 2913 they have on offer is the real show stopper.

Nah man the Heuer Skipper is def the top choice!
 
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Nah man the Heuer Skipper is def the top choice!
I'm with you on the Skippera -- but did you see the James Garner signed 3647N? "SOLD FOR $176,400" over 4 times top estimate. Not surprising IMO.
 
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I'm with you on the Skippera -- but did you see the James Garner signed 3647N? "SOLD FOR $176,400" over 4 times top estimate. Not surprising IMO.

was my favourite too. It was quite surprising that none of the big magazines talked about it.