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2915s For sale Sweden and Monaco

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I have very little real knowledge of 2915’s, only the overview gained from your website and MWO. However, through a general appreciation and experience of vintage watches, vintage Omegas and later vintage Speedmasters the Monaco watch sticks out like a sore thumb. Even a cursory glance immediately draws your eyes to the “dealer, pumpkin lume’ matched to the hands and dial, and I agree with that sentiment entirely. It’s too consistent, too good, too attractive. It just doesn’t look right. It should be attractive but it’s perfectness betrays it.

I know even less about steel Base1000 bezels, but again it doesn’t look right. Or, it looks so right it must be wrong. Overall the whole watch just stinks of being too prepared.

As you note, and I agree completely, the Swedish watch gives off an entirely different vibe. It looks believable. It’ll be interesting to see where that one goes.
 
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Wonderful comparison of two sibling watches exemplifying the reason I prefer looking at smaller auction houses offerings, as opposed to the big shots… Without wanting to generalize, I believe there’s more honesty to be found with the humble (sellers).

If I’d have the means to do so, I’d be all over that Swedish piece. Apart from the watch and auction house offering it, the Swedish family owned character speaks for it as well. Looking at other honest 2915’s sold earlier, it seems like a disproportionate number of 2915’s made its way to first owners in Sweden.
 
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Aludic Aludic
Wonderful comparison of two sibling watches exemplifying the reason I prefer looking at smaller auction houses offerings, as opposed to the big shots… Without wanting to generalize, I believe there’s more honesty to be found with the humble (sellers).

If I’d have the means to do so, I’d be all over that Swedish piece. Apart from the watch and auction house offering it, the Swedish family owned character speaks for it as well. Looking at other honest 2915’s sold earlier, it seems like a disproportionate number of 2915’s made its way to first owners in Sweden.
Swedes are honest people....😉
 
Olhenry56
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It's strange that the Monaco watch is so clearly prepared with a new bezel, lume, etc, but they couldn't be bothered to clean the grime off of it. Not that I mind grime on a watch I buy (or dream about buying), but it seems that if they cared so much about its appearance, cleaning it would be an obvious consideration.
Anyway, clean or not, if they were the same price, I'd prefer the honest Swedish one.
 
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Swedes are honest people....😉
Posted in our Domestic watch forum klocksnack.se someone who knows those at Skånes auktionsverk told that the owner of the 2915 (older lady) walked in with a plastic bag full of random stuff with the watch included, so she most likely did not know what she had hold of
 
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From what I see there are only a few highly skilled relume guys around. I wonder what the dealers say to them when they are asking for a piece like this to be relumed. I’m sure “keep it off Instagram” is in the conversation…
 
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Posted in our Domestic watch forum klocksnack.se someone who knows those at Skånes auktionsverk told that the owner of the 2915 (older lady) walked in with a plastic bag full of random stuff with the watch included, so she most likely did not know what she had hold of
Partly true, they were/are sisters…!👍
 
Pahawi
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Great read - as always👍

Monaco watch 🤮

Skåne watch🥰
 
Patrik83
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I think it is quite interesting that no one seems to see these on the skåne watch… Did it go through a stabilization process?
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Spacefruit
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Well I did not notice that leakage - is that your own photo?
I must say that would make me think it had some adjustment - if we look at the auction photo here I can’t see that leakage

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Which just goes to show how important it is to view a watch like this if you are going in hard.

at the estimate though it could be missing the dial entirely and I would still buy it
 
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Imho, the Skane watch is an honest one. When I first saw photos of it a couple of weeks ago the only thing that made me look more closely were the ‘wet’ marks around the lume as noted by @Patrik83 , not something I’ve seen on other Speedmasters of this period, although I have seen it on later ones. Could it have been relumed in the past, or stabilised? After taking into account the lume texture, colour and the condition of the dial body and the watch as a whole I lean toward original lume.
The case is in nice condition, with a sharp case back. I believe the steel bezel is original. The dial is very good (okay, a small drag mark.) Pushers original and nothing untoward with the movement.
So the crown is perhaps the only obvious replaced part, but that’s to be expected, we know it’s had at least one service from the service marks under one lug.
For me the story of a one owner/family watch rings true with this one. It will be fascinating to see where the bidding ends up, it deserves to do very well.
 
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I forgot to mention the extremely rare correctly shaped sub dial hands on the Skane one. Correct only for this reference and rarely seen, not something your average dealer would know about. It’s usually a good sign when you see these…
 
collector1946
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The Monaco watch is lets say "built" for the sale and it's not worth the out-lay whatever it goes for and the Skane watch is ok they are both a little sad but if you had to buy one the Skane watch is better but it would always be a sad purchse and hard to like, both have been relumed the Monaco one is bad infact the whole watch is bad hands are very suspect and or been re finished in a bad way, the Skane is better but not by much. Most of the right parts but not necessarily in the right order.
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The Monaco watch is lets say "built" for the sale and it's not worth the out-lay whatever it goes for and the Skane watch is ok they are both a little sad but if you had to buy one the Skane watch is better but it would always be a sad purchse and hard to like, both have been relumed the Monaco one is bad infact the whole watch is bad hands are very suspect and or been re finished in a bad way, the Skane is better but not by much. Most of the right parts but not necessarily in the right order.
Bold claim to say the Skane watch is relumed. Have you seen it in the flesh? Having handled a number of 2915s I’d say it looks honest and promising from the pics. It is an old watch that been used and serviced throughout the years. It is not a museum piece but it looks very, very good. Nothing tells me it has been relumed from just looking at the pictures. Which parts are not ”in the right order”?

I’m not here to argue but I think claims like these should be responded to. Help us understand how you came to these conclusions. 😀
 
collector1946
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Bold claim to say the Skane watch is relumed. Have you seen it in the flesh? Having handled a number of 2915s I’d say it looks honest and promising from the pics. It is an old watch that been used and serviced througout the years. It is not a museum piece but it looks very, very good. Nothing tells me it has been relumed from just looking at the pictures.

I’m not here to argue but think claims like these should be responded to. Help us understand how you came to these conclusions. 😀

It's not a new relume but it has been done "in my opinion" and thats not a bad thing to me, but it might be if your planning to spend a small fortune on it.... and if Im wrong Im wrong no ones going to hell !
 
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It's not a new relume but it has been done "in my opinion" and thats not a bad thing to me, but it might be if your planning to spend a small fortune on it.... and if Im wrong Im wrong no ones going to hell !
I can’t say I agree without having it in hand but I respect your opinion.

This one will most likely fetch a small fortune. 😀
 
collector1946
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I can’t say I agree without having it in hand but I respect your opinion.

This one will most likely fetch a small fortune. 😀
.....and that is exactly why this forum exists, someone who want's to buy it might now question and look a little deeper.
 
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