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··Wow! Custom title... coolI think to be fair to Sacha Davidoff, we should wait for him to chime in
Is it inappropriate to bump this tread while waiting?
2913 FAP from Phillips - from swan to ugly duckling
Is it inappropriate to bump this tread while waiting?
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watchyouwant
·Sacha is his own personality ; why would we want to force him into anything? mostly everything is said . so, just move on and do not expect people to be on the same wave length. Wisdom of old age............. kind regards. achim
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·im actually impressed by the work done to the watch. The transformation of the watch from ugly duckling to swan is quite impressive. (not withstanding the fact that Philips described it very wrong in the auction)
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TsoloT
·My understanding is that the buyer of the FAP 300 has now returned it to Phillips following the revelations the forum has produced
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BenBagbag
·im actually impressed by the work done to the watch. The transformation of the watch from ugly duckling to swan is quite impressive. (not withstanding the fact that Philips described it very wrong in the auction)
My understanding is that the buyer of the FAP 300 has now returned it to Phillips following the revelations the forum has produced
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marco
·Funny because OP sees it the other way around. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
So maybe we'll finally get to see some macro shots of the bezel... 😗
More diligence and full disclosure to the best of their knowledge is expected.
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georgeszaslavsky
·Well maybe Phillips have learnt something here in what in their eyes must be a fiasco.
More diligence and full disclosure to the best of their knowledge is expected.
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tyrantlizardrex
·The problem with auction houses is that they are rarely knowledgeable at what they sell and often what they sell is of dubious origin, not overhauled and not period correct. You end up paying big bucks for a cat in the bag.
I think it's fairer to say that no auction house is staffed by experts in every type, brand, and model of watch - that would be an impossible task.
And that, again, isn't the issue as I see it here.
The issue is that Philips claimed that this watch was original, (when with some detective work they could have known otherwise), and it appears that they did so either based on the prompting of the seller, or the sellers agents, or to maximise sale price.
Shrugging your shoulders and saying "I don't know", if you were an auction house who'd listed this watch as "Vintage Omega Seamaster 300 - £3000-£5000" is one thing, doing the same when you've dedicated a full page to rhapsodising about how great and original the watch is, is quite another.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder[QUOTE="tyrantlizardrex, post: 849076, member: 1643"...........
Shrugging your shoulders and saying "I don't know", if you were an auction house who'd listed this watch as "Vintage Omega Seamaster 300 - £3000-£5000" is one thing, doing the same when you've dedicated a full page to rhapsodising about how great and original the watch is, is quite another.[/QUOTE]
Nailed it
Shrugging your shoulders and saying "I don't know", if you were an auction house who'd listed this watch as "Vintage Omega Seamaster 300 - £3000-£5000" is one thing, doing the same when you've dedicated a full page to rhapsodising about how great and original the watch is, is quite another.[/QUOTE]
Nailed it
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boltman
·Fascinating
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·Well maybe Phillips have learnt something here in what in their eyes must be a fiasco.
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··Wow! Custom title... coolI understand full and well that auction houses can't be experts with every watch brand and type BUT they charge quite a lot of money for their services. They charge from seller as well as buyer and end up with a very substancial amount of the money in the transaction.
So what can you expect for that money?? Certain some form of vetting originality - especially when they advertise it as such.
So what can you expect for that money?? Certain some form of vetting originality - especially when they advertise it as such.
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tyrantlizardrex
·I understand full and well that auction houses can't be experts with every watch brand and type BUT they charge quite a lot of money for their services. They charge from seller as well as buyer and end up with a very substancial amount of the money in the transaction.
So what can you expect for that money?? Certain some form of vetting originality - especially when they advertise it as such.
Not wanting to find my collar felt by anyone’s legal team, and having skirted around this in both my posts... I suspect that the auction house knew exactly what they were selling... or at least enough to no longer have plausible deniability... and listed it as “genuine” anyway.
It’s disappinting, but then hardly shocking... where there’s buckets of money with the possibility of making more, you find people willing to do questionable things to keep those buckets filling.
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georgeszaslavsky
·Not wanting to find my collar felt by anyone’s legal team, and having skirted around this in both my posts... I suspect that the auction house knew exactly what they were selling... or at least enough to no longer have plausible deniability... and listed it as “genuine” anyway.
It’s disappinting, but then hardly shocking... where there’s buckets of money with the possibility of making more, you find people willing to do questionable things to keep those buckets filling.
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watchknut
·One or the benefits of not having any money is that I don't have worry about any of this...
I'll stick with investing the time in the hunt to find honest watches.
I'll stick with investing the time in the hunt to find honest watches.
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cristos71
·One or the benefits of not having any money is that I don't have worry about any of this...
I'll stick with investing the time in the hunt to find honest watches.
Absolutely my feelings here too, where's the fun in being the person who holds the record for paying the most for any given reference?
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roh123
·Absolutely my feelings here too, where's the fun in being the person who holds the record for paying the most for any given reference?
Interesting if this watch went back to the seller. Knowing how the watch was put together for the sale I think we can feel pretty safe that these parts will find new watches very soon.
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