I think this post clearly shows that paying the most at auction doesn't necessarily equate to coming home with the best possible watch!
You can find anything if you put in enough time, have enough patience, and gather enough knowledge.
Not wanting to find my collar felt by anyone’s legal team, and having skirted around this in both my posts... I suspect that the auction house knew exactly what they were selling... or at least enough to no longer have plausible deniability... and listed it as “genuine” anyway.
It’s disappinting, but then hardly shocking... where there’s buckets of money with the possibility of making more, you find people willing to do questionable things to keep those buckets filling.
If the "respectable" auction houses are doing this I don't want to know what goes on at other less "respectable". Or I kind of know since I worked at one when in high school. One of the staff knew a very capable booze runner, so lots of single malt at great prices for everybody 😒
I believe all of us are able to find these in the wild. And sorry but buying a watch from an auction house isn't finding, it's simply buying and buying is boring. 😒
I believe all of us are able to find these in the wild. And sorry but buying a watch from an auction house isn't finding, it's simply buying and buying is boring. 😒
Naive question from someone not familiar with auctions, but is the seller publicly known?
Not employing experts for verification purposes is one thing but neglecting due diligence is entirely another
Not employing experts for verification purposes is one thing but neglecting due diligence is entirely another
Kox’s exemplary data base garnered from the public domain is a minimal starting point for any house ,and given their unrivalled access to other private and privileged sources they should be more than capable of establishing reasonable provenance
In the art world, confirmation of authenticity is almost always sort from outside subject matter experts
I submit they could do no better then asking the forum whose members are unquestionably the pinnacle of such knowledge
One small point is that if ever anyone is consulted it might be best not to end the consultations with the word ‘dibs’ ..just a thought
show me the last in the wild examples of A racing dial, a soleil dial or an Alaska project
unfortunately only with the auctioneers.
Let me kindly disagree. But here are my arguments 😀
@MaiLollo bought a racing dial from a Craigslist like website in France. I have been offered one Grey and one black in the last twelve months.
A friend of mine here in CH bought a soleil dial as well as a Grey dial from old people (no clue if they were first owners or not and I don’t care) both in 2017.
Alaska radial dial with engraved numbers on the case back has been offered to my watchmaker’s sales guy at the store by gypsies here in CH - the sales guy didn’t know what it is and declined the offer. No BS - the guy made photos, I saw them, he also almost got fired because of that 😁 Also in 2017.
What a year !!! Not really... they are simply out there. 😗
Let me kindly disagree. But here are my arguments 😀
@MaiLollo bought a racing dial from a Craigslist like website in France. I have been offered one Grey and one black in the last twelve months.
A friend of mine here in CH bought a soleil dial as well as a Grey dial from old people (no clue if they were first owners or not and I don’t care) both in 2017.
Alaska radial dial with engraved numbers on the case back has been offered to my watchmaker’s sales guy at the store by gypsies here in CH - the sales guy didn’t know what it is and declined the offer. No BS - the guy made photos, I saw them, he also almost got fired because of that 😁 Also in 2017.
What a year !!! Not really... they are simply out there. 😗
They are...but seem to be much more frequently out there in Europe than in the States.
I was about to say, it seems the lesson here is to live in Switzerland to be able to get more chances at those hard to find watches 😁. Or Italy for that matter, as I see a lot of Omega watches come out of there for sale.
No it’s not. The lesson is : knowing the right people - your network. I live in Switzerland and I haven’t seen nor been offered Soleil dials, racings, Alaska’s or the like. I don’t know any old people, nor do I have watchmaker or dealer friends, or even have friends who care about watches. I hunt all the regular channels here, same as most people and there is 99.9% crap.
I live in Switzerland and I haven’t seen nor been offered Soleil dials, racings, Alaska’s or the like. I don’t know any old people, nor do I have watchmaker or dealer friends, or even have friends who care about watches. I hunt all the regular channels here, same as most people and there is 99.9% crap.
- this year you've snapped a superb 105.002, a 105.003, a 145.022-82, a #ST, a Tintin - stop trolling 😉
