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·Most champions don’t want to deal with an ultra-competitive teammate. Senna & Prost, Hamilton & Rosberg, Hamilton & Alonso, and Vettel & Webber weren’t exactly harmonious pairings.
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·We're talking about elite competitive sport, a bit of disharmony is not really that relevant as long as it's managed appropriately by the team boss/bosses:
Hamilton v Alonso was very healthy competition that did involve a bit of Foul Play by Alonso, Ron Dennis should have remained unbiased and handled the situation better, and Alonso ended up throwing Dennis under the bus.
Vettel v Weber was also for the most part healthy competition except for maybe multi21 Seb and a few other problems. Horner handled this okay but was clearly biased which is not ideal and could have made things significantly worse had Mark Weber not had really decent guy temperament.
Hamilton v Rosberg was pretty intense, Rosberg was master at dirty tricks, but it was thrilling, and on the whole, it was really well handled by Toto and Nikki.
Senna v Prost were relatively harmonious in the beginning but things did deteriorate and the situation really wasn't helped by Ron Dennis who really should have done a much better job at handling the situation.
Hamilton v Alonso was very healthy competition that did involve a bit of Foul Play by Alonso, Ron Dennis should have remained unbiased and handled the situation better, and Alonso ended up throwing Dennis under the bus.
Vettel v Weber was also for the most part healthy competition except for maybe multi21 Seb and a few other problems. Horner handled this okay but was clearly biased which is not ideal and could have made things significantly worse had Mark Weber not had really decent guy temperament.
Hamilton v Rosberg was pretty intense, Rosberg was master at dirty tricks, but it was thrilling, and on the whole, it was really well handled by Toto and Nikki.
Senna v Prost were relatively harmonious in the beginning but things did deteriorate and the situation really wasn't helped by Ron Dennis who really should have done a much better job at handling the situation.
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vbrad26
·Looks interesting...
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·We're talking about elite competitive sport, a bit of disharmony is not really that relevant as long as it's managed appropriately by the team boss/bosses:
Hamilton v Alonso was very healthy competition that did involve a bit of Foul Play by Alonso, Ron Dennis should have remained unbiased and handled the situation better, and Alonso ended up throwing Dennis under the bus.
Vettel v Weber was also for the most part healthy competition except for maybe multi21 Seb and a few other problems. Horner handled this okay but was clearly biased which is not ideal and could have made things significantly worse had Mark Weber not had really decent guy temperament.
Hamilton v Rosberg was pretty intense, Rosberg was master at dirty tricks, but it was thrilling, and on the whole, it was really well handled by Toto and Nikki.
Senna v Prost were relatively harmonious in the beginning but things did deteriorate and the situation really wasn't helped by Ron Dennis who really should have done a much better job at handling the situation.
it may be harmonious at some point, but in each of the 4 examples you’ve listed it hasn’t ended well.
it’s not easy to manage - these are world champions who want to be treated as a number one and race for wins. Eventually the team has to be the number one focus and these types of character won’t want to be the one to make way for the other.
I’d see it as a headache that red bull do not need to have at this moment in time, for all it might make it a better viewing spectacle for us.
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·I think you’ve made an equally good argument as to why a team like red bull may choose not to do that at this moment in time.
it may be harmonious at some point, but in each of the 4 examples you’ve listed it hasn’t ended well.
it’s not easy to manage - these are world champions who want to be treated as a number one and race for wins. Eventually the team has to be the number one focus and these types of character won’t want to be the one to make way for the other.
I’d see it as a headache that red bull do not need to have at this moment in time, for all it might make it a better viewing spectacle for us.
For perspicuity, I didn't actually give any of these examples.
I was just responding to the examples given by 8100_RPM 'Most champions don’t want to deal with an ultra-competitive teammate. Senna & Prost, Hamilton & Rosberg, Hamilton & Alonso, and Vettel & Webber weren’t exactly harmonious pairings'
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·I think you’ve made an equally good argument as to why a team like red bull may choose not to do that at this moment in time.
it may be harmonious at some point, but in each of the 4 examples you’ve listed it hasn’t ended well.
it’s not easy to manage - these are world champions who want to be treated as a number one and race for wins. Eventually the team has to be the number one focus and these types of character won’t want to be the one to make way for the other.
I’d see it as a headache that red bull do not need to have at this moment in time, for all it might make it a better viewing spectacle for us.
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·I see it as potentially different with Riccardo. He has the experience of being a star with Red Bull, made the move to Reneau, then McLaren, and he paid the price by being off the track for a year. I think he will appreciate a spot on Red Bull a lot more this time, if they offer it to him. He will still push to win, but I think he will obey team orders if the boss thinks he is a danger to Max in any way.
really with this car, RB should have had an easy 1-2 in the drivers champs, even with Lewis driving the wheels off the Mercedes as he has been. Plus I think with the possible closing of the gap in performance over the winter, they may need a consistent second driver to help protect up front etc.
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·I see it as potentially different with Riccardo. He has the experience of being a star with Red Bull, made the move to Reneau, then McLaren, and he paid the price by being off the track for a year. I think he will appreciate a spot on Red Bull a lot more this time, if they offer it to him. He will still push to win, but I think he will obey team orders if the boss thinks he is a danger to Max in any way.
Yeah, I agree, he's going to be a lot better than anyone else who followed him, I also like Daniel Ricardo very much, unfortunately he's made some really poor career choices, but as I may have mentioned earlier, we've been down this road before, I think at best he'll keep Verstapen honest and maybe win some races; the problem is Daniel doesn't seem to have great adaptability, so if the Red Bulls development direction doesn't suit him, then he'll have a real problem pulling the development in his direction, as the car is very much designed around Verstapen.
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·I would support Daniel more if he agreed to stop drinking from his shoe every time he reaches the podium. 😉
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·I would support Daniel more if he agreed to stop drinking from his shoe every time he reaches the podium. 😉
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8100_RPM
·Rain in Brazil really threw a wrench in qualifying. Who would have expected Stroll to qualify in P3? 😲
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·Oddball grid because of the weather, but should make up for some good overtaking on Sunday.
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·A decent grid for Sunday I think. Sainz and Norris right behind the 2 Mercedes. Alonso will have his elbows out in P4, with Lewis right behind. Plenty of action awaits
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·That was another great sprint race, gripping.. Interlagos is a perfect track for a sprint race
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFSo yea, once again, god hates Ferrari.
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texasmade
·Charles needs to leave Ferrari.
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskIf F1 is carbon neutral by 2030 no reason they shouldn’t bring T-cars back.
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MtV
·Not the most exciting Brasil GP we’ve ever had, but Alonso’s performance vs Perez in the last few laps really was something to behold.
