2023 Formula 1 Thread

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Alonso would be fun but realistically it's going to be Checo or Ricciardo next year.
I think checo may well get another year - but let’s see.

If he doesn’t I wonder if they’ll send him to alpha tauri or give him a year off and let Lawson have the seat?

I’d love to see alonso there but i suspect we’ll all end up disappointed!
 
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I think checo may well get another year - but let’s see.

If he doesn’t I wonder if they’ll send him to alpha tauri or give him a year off and let Lawson have the seat?

I’d love to see alonso there but i suspect we’ll all end up disappointed!
I think Checo will be at RB for one more year. RB and F1 wants him there with all of the Mexican support he gets. He needs to stop trying to beat Max and just play wingman. He's not good enough to compete with him. He got Bottas'd now.
 
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From a fan POV, yes this makes sense. Having one driver run away with everything sucks so having 2 challengers is way more interesting.

From a team POV, why risk it if you know you have both championships in the bag. You just need a guy who's good enough to score consistently, get the occasional win, not crash, and help with development.

Redbull are so far ahead that even with two drivers pushing each other to the limits, they would definitely win the constructors unless they take each other off each race, and one of the drivers would almost certainly win the driver's championship with the competition as is.
 
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I still don’t really see what this has to do with anything. You are clearly very pro Lewis (you can tell from your posts) and that’s fine. I just do not see why you think that model has to work for red bull/ or why they need to do that.

Drivers pushing each other to the edge can also end up as no points. Maybe RB choose not to go down that path at this moment in time.

Merc clearly didn’t employ bottas as a potential world champion. More likely after seeing Lewis and rosberg niggle and have a go at destroying each other decided the path of clear number one and two was best - and with largely the best car in those years, they could mop everything up.

I suspect that’s the RB mindset and A consistent number two would do red bull just fine. Max doesn’t really have much to prove in any case.

I’m not disagreeing it would make for more interesting racing - it would - but who, realistically are you going to put in that seat?

I don't think I'm necessarily Pro Lewis, I do think he's an incredible driver and athlete and he's an absolute pleasure to watch when he's got the car underneath him, but pro Lewis kind of implies that I am not pro other drivers, which wouldn't be correct;
there are a number of contemporary drivers that I cheer on/support, so I guess you could say I'm pro them; I.e. Albon, Leclerc, Oscar, Lando, Fernando, Carlos, Ockon, Russell; and I also really like Yuki and Zhou, that's about half the field I reckon..

Red Bull pretty much did the same thing with Vettel (another driver that I really liked) although I didn't enjoy the times when he was unchallenged, and I genuinely don't find that interesting, the driver is operating well within their limits, other than qualifying, they don't really have to push themselves or their equipment during the race, and that's not an interesting scenario.

So from the current crop, Lando is very adaptable and super quick and would keep Verstappen honest at the very least, as would Russell although he doesn't seem to be as consistent as Lando, Alonso would be great but that would really upset the Red Bull apple cart,
Leclerc would be absolutely fascinating, and Oscar is doing a stellar job during his rookie year, I think he's special and given a year or two in the seat could challenge Verstappen.

Daniel Ricardo is a very good peddler, but we've already been down that road before, and as last time, I don't think he's gonna be able to hold a candle to Verstappen, but I'm fairly certain he'll do a much more consistent job than Perez.

Lastly, Liam Lawson looks very promising and it will be great to see him in a competitive car to see what he's capable of; his consistency when standing in for Ricardo, in a car that I don't think he'd driven before was seriously impressive.
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I could never understand the idea of having a team driver keeping the other 'honest', what does that really mean? Every team has a preferred, or lead, driver even if they deny it. Verstappen, Leclerc, Hamilton, Schumacher, Vettel, they are/were the lead drivers for their teams and the other driver is there to support that driver, not to push him to the limits so they make mistakes, or to accidentally take him out. The spectators may want to see Checo take on Max but unless Max has mechanical issues or is physically unwell that is unlikely to be what the team wants, or will allow. That's just the way it is.
 
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I could never understand the idea of having a team driver keeping the other 'honest.
It makes sense to me, it means that the other driver is fast enough and talented enough to keep the other driver on their toes, so they don't just operate within a comfortable window so to speak.. or allow them to rest on their laurels.
 
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Redbull are so far ahead that even with two drivers pushing each other to the limits, they would definitely win the constructors unless they take each other off each race, and one of the drivers would almost certainly win the driver's championship with the competition as is.
I really doubt RB wants half the team at the throat of the other half like Nico and Lewis were for 3 seasons. It's going to create too much of a toxic environment for people to work in.
 
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Verstappen, many times during the years that he had competition.
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I really doubt RB wants half the team at the throat of the other half like Nico and Lewis were for 3 seasons. It's going to create too much of a toxic environment for people to work in.

Healthy competition within a team in F1 is a great thing, and vital when you have a very dominant car; let's take Charles and Carlos at Ferrari, they're very similarly matched and they're not creating a toxic environment, nor are Oscar and Lando at McLaren who are also similarly matched, there are many more examples contemporaneously and historically that have worked brilliantly.

Maybe your (not just yours) objections are because Verstappen with the nature of his temperament, likely couldn't handle the pressure of an equally fast and uber-competitive teammate.
 
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If they could find one of course 😁
 
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If they could find one of course 😁

There's half a dozen of the current crop that I mentioned earlier that would give him a really good run for the money in the same car.
 
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Healthy competition within a team in F1 is a great thing, and vital when you have a very dominant car; let's take Charles and Carlos at Ferrari, they're very similarly matched and they're not creating a toxic environment, nor are Oscar and Lando at McLaren who are also similarly matched, there are many more examples contemporaneously and historically that have worked brilliantly.

Maybe your (not just yours) objections are because Verstappen with the nature of his temperament, likely couldn't handle the pressure of an equally fast and uber-competitive teammate.
Ferrari and Mclaren aren't competing for titles. Huge difference when you have a title winning car.
 
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Yes, they're not at the moment but, great competition within the team and between two drivers is what makes the competition when you have a profoundly dominant car.
 
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Yes, they're not at the moment but, great competition within the team and between two drivers is what makes the competition when you have a profoundly dominant car.
You are viewing it as a spectator and you are correct from that angle, but a team doesn't want two drivers beating each other's brains out trying to be top dog.
 
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Just catching up on the thread, don't understand this bottas is like checo argument. Most seasons bottas would qualify on pole or win at least one race, and if not generally finish second. Checo is not even in the same league given the dominance of the car he has at his disposal. When bottas went to Mercedes he was seen as a possible future world champion. Like most of Lewis' teammates he just couldn't beat him in the long run.

Perez on the other hand was a solid midfield driver but nothing more. I'm pleased he didn't go out the sport and deserved a chance at red bull but he was never going to push max the way bottas pushed Lewis.

And someone needs to tell Rosberg that Lewis was always the number 1 driver...!
 
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And someone needs to tell Rosberg that Lewis was always the number 1 driver...!
Even after Rosberg won the championship in 2016 he would have been the number 2 driver if he had continued to race, that was one reason he retired. It was hard work competing against, and beating, Hamilton, and it wasn't going to get any easier and it probably wouldn't happen again, he made the best decision for his family. Frankly, I can't blame him. Looks like he is doing ok, he's worth $50 million, la dolce vita.
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Even after Rosberg won the championship in 2016 he would have been the number 2 driver if he had continued to race, that was one reason he retired. It was hard work competing against, and beating, Hamilton, and it wasn't going to get any easier and it probably wouldn't happen again, he made the best decision for his family. Frankly, I can't blame him. Looks like he is doing ok, he's worth $50 million, la dolce vita.

I thought he retired because he a) achieved his goal of winning a WC and b) didn't have it in him to sacrifice what it took to try and beat an even more motivated Lewis. Not because he didn't want to be a no 2. He's basically a German driving for a German team... Nothing about it I remember as being a number 2 driver. But hey, my memory ain't what it used to be so happy to be corrected!
 
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You are viewing it as a spectator and you are correct from that angle, but a team doesn't want two drivers beating each other's brains out trying to be top dog.

No, I think I'm also viewing it from the team's perspective, two similarly competitive drivers in a team doesn't mean they're going to bash each other's brains out; however, in the case of Red Bull, I genuinely don't think Verstappen has the temperament to handle an ultra-competitive teammate or even ultra-competitive competition for that matter.
 
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Most champions don’t want to deal with an ultra-competitive teammate. Senna & Prost, Hamilton & Rosberg, Hamilton & Alonso, and Vettel & Webber weren’t exactly harmonious pairings.