2023 Formula 1 Thread

Posts
18,098
Likes
27,413
I am sure there isn't a car on the grid that couldn't be found to be in violation of some point in the regulations if they looked hard enough. Why they went down this rabbit hole is unknown, maybe they were dobbed in by another team and the scrutineers had to act. Seems a bit odd to upend the results like that. Reminds of the old quote, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime". The cars were shown and the discovery of the crime followed.
This check happens every race. And you would be surprised how much scrutinerring happens, I would be surprised if any car would be in a DQ state before a race.
 
Posts
1,075
Likes
1,624
I'm no fan of Hamilton, but that is a jacked up way to lose a podium.
He drove his arse off.
And barely complained at all...
 
Posts
2,675
Likes
7,487
With all the technology available is there no way some cooling could be provided to the drivers thru the suits and helmets? This seems it would be in the wheelhouse of F1 thinkers.
Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of engineering, and driver safety has been a big driver in requirements over the past few years. They should implement a driver monitoring system (2 or 3 temp sensors against drivers skin in reasonable locations - torso?) and mandate maximum temperatures that are allowed. This would drive all teams to find creative solutions (car, suits, cooling mechanisms) to meet the requirement and keep drivers safe.
 
Posts
2,675
Likes
7,487
I'm no fan of Hamilton, but that is a jacked up way to lose a podium.
He drove his arse off.
And barely complained at all...
I'm also not a huge Lewis fan, but his skill set is undeniable. Great to see Merc & McLaren bringing the fight to Redbull. I'm a Max/RB fan, but races are better when there's competition!
 
Posts
7,557
Likes
13,954
Looks like an interesting race in Mexico this weekend. After Verstappen's win in Austin last week in which he was booed on the podium (and not the TX governor), he has a couple of extra bodyguards in Mexico to escort him around and to/from the track, and there is a local campaign of #racepect emphasizing that what happens on the track stays on the track. Hopefully everyone remains calm and people don't act stupid. Perez is expected to be second to Max overall but if he is pipped by Hamilton by season's end his ride next year might be in question even though he has a contract through next year. He is P5 after today's practice, 0.3 seconds off Max so it looks like another tough weekend for Checo. At this point his goal is to stay ahead of Lewis to secure 2nd place in the Driver's Championship.
 
Posts
1,320
Likes
1,679
Looks like an interesting race in Mexico this weekend. After Verstappen's win in Austin last week in which he was booed on the podium (and not the TX governor), he has a couple of extra bodyguards in Mexico to escort him around and to/from the track, and there is a local campaign of #racepect emphasizing that what happens on the track stays on the track. Hopefully everyone remains calm and people don't act stupid. Perez is expected to be second to Max overall but if he is pipped by Hamilton by season's end his ride next year might be in question even though he has a contract through next year. He is P5 after today's practice, 0.3 seconds off Max so it looks like another tough weekend for Checo. At this point his goal is to stay ahead of Lewis to secure 2nd place in the Driver's Championship.

Should be very interesting hopefully.. I don't think there's anything wrong with showing your disapproval by booing or jeering or the like.. It happens at almost every football match every weekend and I think it's all part of it; but if it becomes racist or threatening or the like then it will need to be dealt with swiftly and appropriately.
 
Posts
643
Likes
978
With Danny Ric in 3rd on the grid it's hard to see how he won't be in that red bull next season. Regardless of the race result.
 
Posts
643
Likes
978
Stand by the comment even more now. Great start for both red bulls but 3 into 1 don't go. That looked a bit desperate from perez.
 
Posts
1,320
Likes
1,679
That was a really good race I really enjoyed that! the best Mexican race I can remember..
 
Posts
821
Likes
1,399
That was another great drive by Max. Lando also had a wonderful drive through the field after he screwed up the restart.

Checo ::facepalm1::
 
Posts
1,320
Likes
1,679
On the way
Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of engineering, and driver safety has been a big driver in requirements over the past few years. They should implement a driver monitoring system (2 or 3 temp sensors against drivers skin in reasonable locations - torso?) and mandate maximum temperatures that are allowed. This would drive all teams to find creative solutions (car, suits, cooling mechanisms) to meet the requirement and keep drivers safe.

I'm fairly certain they do have body temperature monitors together with heart rate monitors etc.
Though I like what Hamilton says, if it's too overwhelming you're not fit enough, he loves the physical challenge😉
 
Posts
7,557
Likes
13,954
Good drive from Lewis, he finally has some pace but still about 0.3-0.5 sec per lap slower than Max. Ferraris hung in there but just can't compete right now. Checo is just out of sorts now, pressured and pushed and that's a recipe for poor performance. Tremendous pressure put on him for his home race.
 
Posts
1,320
Likes
1,679
Good drive from Lewis, he finally has some pace but still about 0.3-0.5 sec per lap slower than Max. Ferraris hung in there but just can't compete right now. Checo is just out of sorts now, pressured and pushed and that's a recipe for poor performance. Tremendous pressure put on him for his home race.

Yes, the overtake on Leclerc by Lewis was stunning, so committed and completely on the Edge, one of the best overtakes I've seen in a long time, and especially as the DRS in Mexico is at it's weakest..

Ferrari should probably have split the strategies early on, I like Checo but he's been out of sorts for way too long, and I'm sorry to say it doesn't deserve that seat. Ricardo will give Verstappen a better challenge for sure, but I just want to see a world championship contender in that seat to challenge Verstappen, he has a history of losing it when he's under pressure.
 
Posts
2,889
Likes
11,945
Yes, the overtake on Leclerc by Lewis was stunning, so committed and completely on the Edge, one of the best overtakes I've seen in a long time, and especially as the DRS in Mexico is at it's weakest..

Ferrari should probably have split the strategies early on, I like Checo but he's been out of sorts for way too long, and I'm sorry to say it doesn't deserve that seat. Ricardo will give Verstappen a better challenge for sure, but I just want to see a world championship contender in that seat to challenge Verstappen, he has a history of losing it when he's under pressure.
While red bull have the Uber dominant car, I wouldn’t expect them to employ a title contender. Why risk the potential for max to win the drivers and the constructors near enough on his own with an unnecessary stress.

when merc employed the patsy Bottas it was a similar scenario to that which we have now - post it all going sour when rosberg won. And Russell for all his good points isn’t in the same ballpark as Lewis.

if you go back to around Baku, he was a challenger but he’s just lost it/ not got it done since. It happens, Danny Ric is a viable alternative (maybe the only one) but hardly a serial winner and we’ll be having the same conversations next year I’d expect.

I think challenges to max come from outside red bull and not within. I really hope it happens as the racing behind max yesterday was actually pretty good.
Edited:
 
Posts
1,320
Likes
1,679
While red bull have the Uber dominant car, I wouldn’t expect them to employ a title contender. Why risk the potential for max to win the drivers and the constructors near enough on his own with an unnecessary stress.

when merc employed the patsy Bottas it was a similar scenario to that which we have now - post it all going sour when rosberg won. And Russell for all his good points isn’t in the same ballpark as Lewis.

if you go back to around Baku, he was a challenger but he’s just lost it/ not got it done since. It happens, Danny Ric is a viable alternative (maybe the only one) but hardly a serial winner and we’ll be having the same conversations next year I’d expect.

I think challenges to max come from outside red bull and not within. I really hope it happens as the racing behind max yesterday was actually pretty good.

For me, when you have an overtly dominant team, it's far better to have two drivers that are competing against each other pushing each other to the edge, rather than a facto or de facto number one and a number two.

For example when Lewis was racing for McLaren vs his teammate Fernando Alonso, or Lewis vs Jenson Button,
or Lewis vs Rosberg who was also a fantastically quick driver, all world champions, and the championship was all the better for it even though they were in dominant cars for the most part.

Yes, sadly Valtteri didn't quite have it, he had the speed but not the consistency nor the incredible raw talent of Lewis, and neither did Magnussen or Kovalainen.

Lewis has had three immensely talented world-champion teammates, and I would argue one of the very best-ever drivers, Fernando Alonso in his absolute prime.
 
Posts
2,889
Likes
11,945
For me, when you have an overtly dominant team, it's far better to have two drivers that are competing against each other pushing each other to the edge, rather than a facto or de facto number one and a number two.

For example when Lewis was racing for McLaren vs his teammate Fernando Alonso, or Lewis vs Jenson Button,
or Lewis vs Rosberg who was also a fantastically quick driver, all world champions, and the championship was all the better for it even though they were in dominant cars for the most part.

Yes, sadly Valtteri didn't quite have it, he had the speed but not the consistency nor the incredible raw talent of Lewis, and neither did Magnussen or Kovalainen.

Lewis has had three immensely talented world-champion teammates, and I would argue one of the very best-ever drivers, Fernando Alonso in his absolute prime.
I still don’t really see what this has to do with anything. You are clearly very pro Lewis (you can tell from your posts) and that’s fine. I just do not see why you think that model has to work for red bull/ or why they need to do that.

Drivers pushing each other to the edge can also end up as no points. Maybe RB choose not to go down that path at this moment in time.

Merc clearly didn’t employ bottas as a potential world champion. More likely after seeing Lewis and rosberg niggle and have a go at destroying each other decided the path of clear number one and two was best - and with largely the best car in those years, they could mop everything up.

I suspect that’s the RB mindset and A consistent number two would do red bull just fine. Max doesn’t really have much to prove in any case.

I’m not disagreeing it would make for more interesting racing - it would - but who, realistically are you going to put in that seat?
 
Posts
2,586
Likes
2,870
For me, when you have an overtly dominant team, it's far better to have two drivers that are competing against each other pushing each other to the edge, rather than a facto or de facto number one and a number two.

For example when Lewis was racing for McLaren vs his teammate Fernando Alonso, or Lewis vs Jenson Button,
or Lewis vs Rosberg who was also a fantastically quick driver, all world champions, and the championship was all the better for it even though they were in dominant cars for the most part.

Yes, sadly Valtteri didn't quite have it, he had the speed but not the consistency nor the incredible raw talent of Lewis, and neither did Magnussen or Kovalainen.

Lewis has had three immensely talented world-champion teammates, and I would argue one of the very best-ever drivers, Fernando Alonso in his absolute prime.
From a fan POV, yes this makes sense. Having one driver run away with everything sucks so having 2 challengers is way more interesting.

From a team POV, why risk it if you know you have both championships in the bag. You just need a guy who's good enough to score consistently, get the occasional win, not crash, and help with development.
 
Posts
2,586
Likes
2,870
I’m not disagreeing it would make for more interesting racing - it would - but who, realistically are you going to put in that seat?
Alonso would be fun but realistically it's going to be Checo or Ricciardo next year.
 
Posts
6,317
Likes
9,909
he has a history of losing it when he's under pressure
Like when?