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1940s Grandfather's Suveran-like Omega identification help

  1. TimothyPrice

    TimothyPrice Jan 15, 2020 7:58pm

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    IMG_2934.JPG Greetings, knowledgeable Members of this forum!

    Can some clockwork lore-master help me identify and possibly evaluate this piece? Alas for the time being I haven't opened the case, fearful of scratching it. The back is absolutely plain with no markings. I have no wish to sell it, but I'm curious about its value. I also seek your counsel on the matter of restoration – my plan is to gently clean the digits and hands, and perhaps putting some really thin layer of protective varnish on them to preserve the shine of the copper, and stop at that point leaving the rest as patinated as it is. It is by no means my definite decision, as I suppose it can arouse some controversy here. I am open to all advice and professional suggestions never having owned an Omega before.

    Thank you in advance, I shall update the post with a picture of the mechanism as soon as I have it opened.

    EDIT: the sub-second hand is there, only the exposure was 8 seconds and it got blurred.
     
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  2. Dan S

    Dan S Jan 15, 2020 8:14pm

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    I don't recommend cleaning or varnishing anything. There is virtually no upside, and you're much more likely to damage things than improve them. The watch looks great as it is.

    For identification and valuation a single photo and no information is not enough. Please provide comprehensive photos from all angles (including of the movement and the inside of the case-back) and other information including dimensional measurements. Hands should be moved to avoid obscuring logos and printing on the dial.
     
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  3. Larry S

    Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 15, 2020 8:21pm

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    Looks like you need a new crystal. Other than that, a subseconds hand and a movement service, leave this lovely watch unmolested.
     
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  4. TimothyPrice

    TimothyPrice Jan 15, 2020 9:17pm

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    Dan S: I wanted to at least clean the hands, because the patina on them is nothing close to a tarnished gold coin or, looking for closer equivalent, a green church roof, and it spoils the intention of the designer who wanted the hands to match the digits (and in fact even the strap thread).

    Larry S: The cracks on the glass are slight enough for me to consider just gently repolishing it with some toothpaste, I don't want to remove them as long as they're not deep enough to expose the interior to the elements. After all it's the original glass.

    The dimensions are:
    - 30 mm diameter without the crown
    - 36 mm in lenght
     
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  5. VetPsychWars

    VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Jan 15, 2020 11:11pm

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    If you were going to do anything to that dial, you would need someone of the caliber of an art restorer who works at a museum.

    By the way, you can't possibly know that is the crystal that left the factory with the watch. It could have been replaced at the first service one or two years later.

    As suggested, leaving the dial alone is your best bet. I'd have the crystal replaced. Keep the old one if it's important to you.

    Tom
     
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  6. Larry S

    Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 15, 2020 11:37pm

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    I would not try to clean those hands.
     
  7. WatchCor

    WatchCor Jan 15, 2020 11:46pm

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    Yes, I agree with the above sentiments, please don't clean anything.

    Beautiful watch. Other than that I cant be of help in the identification process.
     
  8. ConElPueblo

    ConElPueblo Jan 16, 2020 1:14am

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    I would guess that it is most likely a ref. 2008.

    From your photos, I wouldn't completely dismiss the idea that the dial has been refinished at some point. I find the seconds track to be fairly crude. Could well be due to the condition of the crystal :)
     
  9. TimothyPrice

    TimothyPrice Jan 16, 2020 7:04am

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    Larry, do you mean that you wouldn't do it on your own, or you dispute the very choice aesthetically/ethically? Because if I decided on doing so, it would be appointed to a proper specialist, needless to say :)
     
  10. micampe

    micampe Jan 16, 2020 7:26am

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    Are you sure the hands were originally copper colored?
     
  11. Larry S

    Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 16, 2020 7:26am

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    Aesthetically and because you just never know with old hands. I’d keep the patina nice and even.
     
  12. CaptainWinsor

    CaptainWinsor Jan 16, 2020 7:47am

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    Just leave it alone like everyone says. Take some pictures in daylight out side to see the true color of the dial. If you don’t or can’t open it, take it to a watchmaker who will open it for you
     
  13. bubba48

    bubba48 Jan 16, 2020 8:38am

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    I completely agree
     
  14. TimothyPrice

    TimothyPrice Jan 16, 2020 9:05am

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    Fret not, I won't touch it until I gather more opinions here :)
    As I said, I'll try to post pictures of the mechanism as soon as I get it opened.
     
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  15. VetPsychWars

    VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Jan 16, 2020 9:15am

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    Oh, that is QUITE different. There's nothing you need to do to that dial. The crazing in the crystal made it look a lot more damaged than it did. Also, it appears that the hands might originally have been blued but might have a bit of rust. Your watchmaker will advise whether she thinks the rust (if that's what it is) will cause further damage. New blued hands might be available (and you'd keep the old ones oiled and wrapped in waxed paper) or perhaps those can be cleaned and reblued.

    Tom
     
  16. Larry S

    Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 16, 2020 9:24am

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    Suddenly it has a seconds sub hand?
     
  17. ConElPueblo

    ConElPueblo Jan 16, 2020 9:27am

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  18. Maskelyne

    Maskelyne Jan 16, 2020 1:22pm

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    I think it looks all genuine. I have never seen those specific dial colours, but similar versions in other colours. It "feels" as the real thing to me.
     
  19. Germanicus

    Germanicus Jan 16, 2020 2:53pm

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    It seems to be a cal 26.5 with redone dial
     
  20. TimothyPrice

    TimothyPrice Jan 16, 2020 3:49pm

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    Here is an attempted macro of the controversial sub dial.