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No Mercy
·Did any fellows see any other example? This dial is 100% original untouched.
168.005 pie-pan dial with upside down star
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Maskelyne
·This dial raises some questions. The Omega logo and the star looks blued. Why?
The font seems to be correct but - I get the feeling that the font size is to small? (tiny difference, and I checked other pieces).
Look at my comparison with my 168.005. Please note that the OPs picture has much lower resolution. (I have enhanced OP,s pic).
Note that i don´t say it´s uncorrect, other than the obvious remarks pointed out by gatorpca
The font seems to be correct but - I get the feeling that the font size is to small? (tiny difference, and I checked other pieces).
Look at my comparison with my 168.005. Please note that the OPs picture has much lower resolution. (I have enhanced OP,s pic).
Note that i don´t say it´s uncorrect, other than the obvious remarks pointed out by gatorpca
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Sherbie
·This dial raises some questions. The Omega logo and the star looks blued. Why?
The font seems to be correct but - I get the feeling that the font size is to small? (tiny difference, and I checked other pieces).
Look at my comparison with my 168.005. Please note that the OPs picture has much lower resolution. (I have enhanced OP,s pic).
Note that i don´t say it´s uncorrect, other than the obvious remarks pointed out by gatorpca
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Benbradstock
·Ah, the rare Omega Satanmaster.
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Caliber561
·The font sizes might seem weird because the star sizes are different. If you look at the dial furniture, it's quite clear that this is the case. At first,168.005s on the internet seem to have small or large sizes, without any immediately discernible pattern. Constellation step dials and no-step dials seem to have small and large stars, so that didn't turn out anything useful. But later, I realized that the vertical spacing between the Applied Metal Logos (AML) and the Applied Brand Names (ABN) is consistently smaller on the big star dials, and larger for the small star dials. I don't know why, but the pattern seems to hold on all the google images that turn up.
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Maskelyne
·But Are you sure the star on your watch is correct?
Yoiu can see "star versions" on Desmonds site: http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/2007/08/dial-update.html
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No Mercy
·A picture is worth a thousand words so I take these hi-res pictures, please click on them to enlarge:
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hejsam
·Do you know why the star and logo are ”blued”?
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No Mercy
·Markers, logo, star, date window are made from solid white gold. That "blueish" color is because of natural oxidation, I can clean them to bright white gold but decided to keep their color of time.
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersMarkers, logo, star, date window are made from solid white gold. That "blueish" color is because of natural oxidation, I can clean them to bright white gold but decided to keep their color of time.
IIRC the 'silver' markers on most Connies are rhodium plated rather than white gold (other than some special arrowhead markers perhaps)
This doesn't preclude tarnishing of course.
Tarnished stars have been seen before and the fact that the date window is tarnished would make sense as it is closest to the most common point of moisture ingress.
There is something sterile about the dial - it certainly is very clean but the paint work is incredibly flat.
It is a late dial as it has painted indices rather than onyx inserts. (so last quarter/end of the 60s onwards)
Did it come with a watch or separately? (i.e. could it be a service dial?)
The dial certainly didn't leave Omega with the star upside down - unless it was a quality control reject and kept by someone.
Great photos by the way
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1jansen
·Do you know why the star and logo are ”blued”?
Markers, logo, star, date window are made from solid white gold. That "blueish" color is because of natural oxidation, I can clean them to bright white gold but decided to keep their color of time.
Hi hejsam,
I have similar example of an Arabic index NOS dail with index blued (see "11" index in the photo below), due to oxidation. I have to agree with No Mercy in this respect. I also left it as it is.
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1jansen
·IIRC the 'silver' markers on most Connies are rhodium plated rather than white gold (other than some special arrowhead markers perhaps)
The dial certainly didn't leave Omega with the star upside down - unless it was a quality control reject and kept by someone.
Great photos by the way
Hi Peemacgee Well said!
I would guess it is a quality control problem. Either it was rejected and somehow kept by someone without the knowledge of the factory. Or, unlikely, it left the factory and then held off by the service unit when it came to the known by the service centre. (IMHO).
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!The blueing (particularly on the AML) could be an effect from heat when brazing. This is either a factory cockup or an excellent quality redial where the dial furniture was removed then reapplied, but wth the star there was a d'oh moment. Note on the rear the feet of the applied logo, text and star are ground brighter than the indices suggesting recent work possibly. Either way it raises questions and I wouldn't be rushing to buy it. A brave and competent watchmaker may be able to remove and reattach the star correctly.
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No Mercy
·The blueing (particularly on the AML) could be an effect from heat when brazing. This is either a factory cockup or an excellent quality redial where the dial furniture was removed then reapplied, but wth the star there was a d'oh moment. Note on the rear the feet of the applied logo, text and star are ground brighter than the indices suggesting recent work possibly. Either way it raises questions and I wouldn't be rushing to buy it. A brave and competent watchmaker may be able to remove and reattach the star correctly.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorLooks to me like some of the dial elements were removed, possibly for a stripping of the original lacquer and replacement with a modern synthetic version.
A blow-up of a blow-up. The star and date window surround seems to be a different color of gold, or heavily tarnished, while the hour markers maintained their original rhodium plating.
The whole effect is very strange to the eye, at least from these photos.
gatorcpa
A blow-up of a blow-up. The star and date window surround seems to be a different color of gold, or heavily tarnished, while the hour markers maintained their original rhodium plating.
The whole effect is very strange to the eye, at least from these photos.
gatorcpa
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kaplan
·Honestly, it looks great - and thanks for the opportunity to see the oxidation up close, when you see it on low res online photos, one(me) thinks it's corrosion etc. instead
In your watch, all the stars align, the upside down star and the black Omega logo, it just has a perfect vibe
If it was on auction, I think it would fetch more than a regular one 😁
In your watch, all the stars align, the upside down star and the black Omega logo, it just has a perfect vibe
If it was on auction, I think it would fetch more than a regular one 😁
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No Mercy
·Looks to me like some of the dial elements were removed, possibly for a stripping of the original lacquer and replacement with a modern synthetic version.
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