168.005 Dial Check

Tomolok · Sep 22, 2025

Hello OF! I've been hunting for a pie pan for about a year now just gathering knowledge etc.
I found this one locally, looks pretty good, 564 cal, except the crown is incorrect and comes on an uncle bor bracelet. Passes MOY test, there's no lume on this model, anything look out of place? IE minute markers etc?

It's listed for $1200

dsio · Sep 22, 2025

From that photo the dial looks ok but I'd want to see more angle shots of the dial and the case / case-back as that particular reference has some very convincing looking replicas, and its hard to tell from a single dead-on photo but the price is a bit sus as well.

Tomolok · Sep 22, 2025

Thank you dsio for your 2 cents. Here are some more photos from the local seller. He's trustworthy as it's from a local watch forum where we do reference checks on each other, he may not know himself the authenticity of the watch so I'm at the mercy of you all in Omega Forums, thank you in advance!

hant26 · Sep 23, 2025

checking 😀

Peemacgee · Sep 23, 2025

@Tomolok
You’re going to need better photos for a proper assessment of the watch.

These pics make the dial look very suspicious.

The serial no. would be useful as this appears to be a late version dogleg.

The bottom left lug is peculiarly polished.

The back has a quite severe idiot mark on it.

IMHO the price reflects the less desirable painted indices and the condition of the watch case.

Tomolok · Sep 23, 2025

Thank you everyone, the seller may not even know if it’s 100% original, that’s why I have you guys to thanks!

Serial is in the 3.4 million.

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Peemacgee · Sep 23, 2025

At one time you would have been told that a 564 34m movt in a dogleg had been transplanted from a late c case but these late 564 doglegs have appeared before.

These watches have a crossover with the 168.0065 - which makes you wonder if the crown is in fact original as it’s the style used on the 168.0065.

gatorcpa · Sep 23, 2025

Peemacgee
These watches have a crossover with the 168.0065 - which makes you wonder if the crown is in fact original as it’s the style used on the 168.0065.

Not sure what you mean by this. The Ref. 168.0065 has a totally different movement (Cal 1011) and is smaller and thinner than the Ref. 168.005.

The crown used on the subject watch looks to me a modern Omega supplied replacement for the thin 10-sided version, which hasn’t been made for many years.

I have concerns about this watch being a frankenwatch. Unfortunately, one cannot tell for sure without an in person inspection. You need to examine the dial with a loupe to determine whether the markers are onyx or painted. Omega moved to painted inserts around 1969 (serial numbers in 28M range).

The markers look onyx in the compressed pictures supplied, but I cannot tell for sure. This watch has a movement dating from 1972. While almost anything possible with vintage Omega, onyx markers on a watch of such a late vintage is a red flag that would need investigation.

Also, a watch with a chronometer certification made in 1972 was unlikely to have been sold until 1973 or 1974. I don’t remember seeing any Omega catalogs that late that featured the Ref. 168.005. You can look for your self at some older catalogs here:

http://www.old-omegas.com/

The watch is likely priced under market for a reason. I would not recommend.
gatorcpa

Tomolok · Sep 23, 2025

You guys are amazing! You’re right if the serial is 3.4 million, it’s a. 1972 movement which “should” have the 1000 series movements.

This watch is advertised as 1967 which means it should have a movement around 2.4 million.

With the suspicious painted markers and movement, rotor looks like a replacement too, I think you’re all right that it’s a frankenwatch. However, for $1200, is it that unadvisable to go for a watch 60+ years old with replacement parts? Is it safe to assume I could sell it for that amount down the road if I find an all original one?

Ps I’m a car guy, and when comparing classic cars, it’s impossible to get something all original, there’s always work done when something was daily driven, and if it is all original, it probably deserves to be in a museum. I wear my watches and enjoy them.

I guess my question is, is $1200 ok for a frankenwatch? I don’t think the seller knows and claims whom he bought it from says its original.

Thank you Omega Forums!

Peemacgee · Sep 23, 2025

T Tomolok
You guys are amazing! You’re right if the serial is 3.4 million, it’s a. 1972 movement which “should” have the 1000 series movements.

This watch is advertised as 1967 which means it should have a movement around 2.4 million.

With the suspicious painted markers and movement, rotor looks like a replacement too, I think you’re all right that it’s a frankenwatch. However, for $1200, is it that unadvisable to go for a watch 60+ years old with replacement parts? Is it safe to assume I could sell it for that amount down the road if I find an all original one?

Ps I’m a car guy, and when comparing classic cars, it’s impossible to get something all original, there’s always work done when something was daily driven, and if it is all original, it probably deserves to be in a museum. I wear my watches and enjoy them.

I guess my question is, is $1200 ok for a frankenwatch? I don’t think the seller knows and claims whom he bought it from says its original.

Thank you Omega Forums!

If there is paperwork stating the watch is from 1967, then it is a problematic watch.
If not, then the the seller could simply have the production date wrong (it happens all the time)

Painted indices, in themselves, are not suspicious - they replaced onyx inserts towards the end of the 60s -more like 25+m range, '68-ish IIRC - no-one can pinpoint when as (like all things Omega) there is a crossover between onyx and painted inserts, with later watches retaining onyx inserts.

These late doglegs are outliers - and as you can see from this discussion they arouse suspicion.
Unless you have proof of its integrity you may have problems selling at a later date.

Without better pics, the case issues and the uncertainty about originality, I would pass personally.

gatorcpa · Sep 23, 2025

T Tomolok
You guys are amazing! You’re right if the serial is 3.4 million, it’s a. 1972 movement which “should” have the 1000 series movements.

This watch is advertised as 1967 which means it should have a movement around 2.4 million.

That’s actually 24M and 34M. 2.4M would be around 1900.

T Tomolok
Ps I’m a car guy, and when comparing classic cars, it’s impossible to get something all original, there’s always work done when something was daily driven, and if it is all original, it probably deserves to be in a museum. I wear my watches and enjoy them.

Watches are not cars. Resto-Mods are not particularly valued by collectors.

You would be paying $1,200 for a collection of parts that would have some value to the right persons trying to restore the right watches (especially if the dial turns out to be original), but it is unlikely you’d ever get all of your money back on a sale as it is.
gatorcpa

Peemacgee · Sep 23, 2025

gatorcpa
Not sure what you mean by this. The Ref. 168.0065 has a totally different movement (Cal 1011) and is smaller and thinner than the Ref. 168.005.

The crown used on the subject watch looks to me a modern Omega supplied replacement for the thin 10-sided version, which hasn’t been made for many years.

I have concerns about this watch being a frankenwatch. Unfortunately, one cannot tell for sure without an in person inspection. You need to examine the dial with a loupe to determine whether the markers are onyx or painted. Omega moved to painted inserts around 1969 (serial numbers in 28M range).

The markers look onyx in the compressed pictures supplied, but I cannot tell for sure. This watch has a movement dating from 1972. While almost anything possible with vintage Omega, onyx markers on a watch of such a late vintage is a red flag that would need investigation.

Also, a watch with a chronometer certification made in 1972 was unlikely to have been sold until 1973 or 1974. I don’t remember seeing any Omega catalogs that late that featured the Ref. 168.005. You can look for your self at some older catalogs here:

http://www.old-omegas.com/

The watch is likely priced under market for a reason. I would not recommend.
gatorcpa

I think, even from the poor pictures, you can see that the indices are painted not onyx inserts.

There have been a (small) number of doglegs turn up with high (late) serial 564s - and I'm sure there was a previous thread which gave some credence to the idea that these were also sold into the Far East. (putting paid to the idea that these late 564s were frankenwatches using C-case movements)
These watches have never been seen in European/ English speaking catalogues - because they weren't there

Regarding the crown, I was simply opining that, since the 'last of the pie-pans' has changed to a knurled crown, perhaps Omega had applied a knurled crown to the 'rump' of the original doglegs, to also be sold into the east.
The later styled Omega symbol has been seen on the .0065s - but of course they may also be service replacements.

gatorcpa · Sep 23, 2025

Peemacgee
I think, even from the poor pictures, you can see that the indices are painted not onyx inserts.

Your eyes must be better than my old tired ones. I see scratches in the crystal and out of focus markers. You need in person inspection here.

Peemacgee
There have been a (small) number of doglegs turn up with high (late) serial 564s - and I'm sure there was a previous thread which gave some credence to the idea that these were also sold into the Far East. (putting paid to the idea that these late 564s were frankenwatches using C-case movements)
These watches have never been seen in European/ English speaking catalogues - because they weren't there

I don’t doubt that this is possible. However, the latest I can find any Ref. 168.005 appearing in a catalog is 1970. Those probably had serial numbers in the 1968-69 range. I’m dealing with the probable, not the exception to the rule here.

Peemacgee
Regarding the crown, I was simply opining that, since the 'last of the pie-pans' has changed to a knurled crown, perhaps Omega had applied a knurled crown to the 'rump' of the original doglegs, to also be sold into the east.

Again, possible but not probable. More likely changed to suit an owner’s desire to be able to set the watch.
gatorcpa

nanjingcigaretes · Sep 23, 2025

This appears to be my old watch that I sold some time ago. I don’t think it’s appropriate to share the full original listing since it’s no longer mine, but here’s a link where you can see the detailed high-res photos of the watch: https://photos.app.goo.gl/xRyMs3bDt31MMpxK7

Tomolok · Sep 23, 2025

Did they make dog leg with this case in the early 70s with a 168.005 caseback?

redpcar · Sep 23, 2025

Following this with some curiosity.
Both sets of pictures from Tomolok and nanjingcigaretes are indeed the same watch with 34469746 serial. Interestingly both sets of pics have the same date at the 21st. What are the odds? Oh, 3%. Or the date function does not work ;-)

Tomolok · Sep 23, 2025

redpcar
Following this with some curiosity.
Both sets of pictures from Tomolok and nanjingcigaretes are indeed the same watch with 34469746 serial. Interestingly both sets of pics have the same date at the 21st. What are the odds? Oh, 3%. Or the date function does not work ;-)

I think the current seller is using photos from previous sales listing.

Peemacgee · Sep 23, 2025

nanjingcigaretes
This appears to be my old watch that I sold some time ago. I don’t think it’s appropriate to share the full original listing since it’s no longer mine, but here’s a link where you can see the detailed high-res photos of the watch: https://photos.app.goo.gl/xRyMs3bDt31MMpxK7

Nice painted indices….😉

Was this watch discussed previously?
Do you have any backstory to the watch?

nanjingcigaretes · Sep 23, 2025

Peemacgee
Nice painted indices….😉

Was this watch discussed previously?
Do you have any backstory to the watch?

I'm not sure it did. But with a quick search I can find a couple of examples of this reference with pie-pan, painted indices, from early 70s (71-72) and CB-stamped case:
1- This: https://omegaforums.net/threads/564-movement-with-34-mil-serial.69241/
2- And this: https://www.craftandtailored.com/pr...A5lxVA2trzIcNg8JPgGZ1ZaE2kkQPf_PcBFfRz_BENaX7
3- https://omegaforums.net/threads/197...an-dial-ss-dog-leg-lugs-case-serviced.100476/

redpcar · Sep 23, 2025

T Tomolok
I think the current seller is using photos from previous sales listing.

No. The BOR bracelet is added later.

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