1611 "Montreal" Chrono-Quartz (aka Albatross) Query

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Another winner Ken! I'm a sucker for non-traditional case shapes and designs.I saw a chrono quartz at a GTG a while back and I remember my impression being surprised at just how big and awesome it was. People that complain about the size of modern Omegas should be aware that it isn't purely an invention of the past decade - Omega's been trying big, bold designs off and on for almost 50 years now. 馃憤

Thanks, Andy! I'm totally with you re. non-traditional case shapes and designs - can't get enough of them!
Yeah, as well as people complaining about the size of modern Omegas, some "fans" also complain about the constant changes to models, but as you say, the company has always been innovative and experimental with its designs. It's nothing new...
 
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Looks great, well done! Did you get a chance to check the screws on the case and links?

It does wear a bit odd as it's not very "tall", I don't wear mine very often, especially since I've found that display from 1976 ;-)
 
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Looks great, well done! Did you get a chance to check the screws on the case and links?

It does wear a bit odd as it's not very "tall", I don't wear mine very often, especially since I've found that display from 1976 ;-)

Thanks, webvan!

The screws on the case look very clean, but those on the links appear to have a bit of damage. To be honest, I'm not sure how serious this damage is. Here are a few pics I just took (in bad light):



Where did you get that display anyway!?
 
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As an aside here is my how to on rebuilding a Chromo-Quartz bracelet:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-bracelet-rebuilding-not-for-the-faint-hearted.17888/

I just had a read through of that thread, Tom - excellent stuff! I surprised myself in that I was actually able to follow the process clearly (although I would never take on something like that myself!).

It got me thinking, though. I became aware of a small gap between my bracelet and case. Do you or other owners feel my bracelet should/could be tighter against the case? You can see this in the pics in the posts above this one and on the previous page (bracelet shots and wrist shots).

Maybe I'm just nitpicking and it's the way the watch sits on my wrist - this gap disappears when the bracelet is extended more horizontally away from the case (see the pics I posted earlier in the thread - no gap when it's not on my wrist). I also guess there needs to be some kind of gap between the case and first link (and also between links) to give the bracelet any kind of flexibility...

Anyway, thanks in advance if anyone can offer any enlightenment.

(Still buzzing off this watch! 馃榾 )
 
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It wears extremely comfortably. It's certainly a big watch - 51mm pushers to crown, I believe - but it's relatively narrow. So, yeah, it goes up and down your arm, but it doesn't overhang and it doesn't feel particularly heavy or cumbersome. I also wear a Ploprof 1200m and the Chrono-Quartz feels like it isn't even there in comparison!

EDIT: Here's another pic from a different angle. I think this shows the long, narrow nature of the case on the arm better...


That looks really nice. Good pickup. Very mint
 
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@Ken G - as long as the screws can be "operated" I wouldn't be too worried about cosmetics ;-)

As for the display...long story, an online ad, paid for it, guy didn't send it, had to file a complaint with the authorities, suppose it was worth it ;-)
 
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@Ken G - as long as the screws can be "operated" I wouldn't be too worried about cosmetics ;-)

As for the display...long story, an online ad, paid for it, guy didn't send it, had to file a complaint with the authorities, suppose it was worth it ;-)

Yeah, I'm fine with the screws, but I've become slightly concerned about the fit of the bracelet against the case (see a few posts back). Maybe I'm just over-thinking it! 馃榾

The display was absolutely worth it! I bet you sit back and admire your watch on that stand with a big grin on your face 馃榾
 
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I bought a Seamaster chrono-quartz at auction and the bracelet is a tad too tight. The bracelet number in the clasp is 1211/202 which I can't find anywhere and does not match up with the numbers you listed in the original post. I wonder if my clasp was replaced with the wrong clasp and am just confused. I really want to wear this watch so any help would be appreciated.
 
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Hi Ken

I am reasonably well rehearsed on these watch having owned a dozen or so, the V2 was produced as a more light weight and affordable (to manufacture) bracelet shortly after the production run for the Chrono-Quartz ended (only around 15000 units produced of which it is likely 2-3000 were 'spares watches'). It wouldn't be unreasonable for people to assume the watches where produced with these bracelets but I think it is unlikely as they were all manufactured between late 1975 and late 1976, at this time Omega were still using the standard 'interlink' heavy bracelet, which was far more costly to produce and manufacture. The only caveat to this I could have been if any of the bracelets were manufactured in Mexico but this wasn't that 'type' of watch and bracelets (unlike the Mexican produced or British produced ones) couldn't be used on a wide array of other omega models so why bother?

So, on to the 'bracelet' issue, the original 12XX/2XX bracelet line was introduced to the market towards the last quarter of 1972 and originally seen on Megaquartz's Marine Chronometer and Stardust lines, it later became an addition in other incarnations on the Megaquartz, F300, Speedmaster etc lines.

The bracelet was of excellent quality however was fundamentally flawed, firstly it was made up of a series of huge stainless steel links which were heavy, bulky and costly to make as they required machining and drilling for each individual and individually sized tapered link. Secondly (and the crux of the issue) was that they were interconnected with one another via a series of double spring bar tubes known as 'interlinks'. the weight of the bracelet links with the weakness of the interlinks resulted in it being quite easy to stretch the links apart and thus impacting on both the performance of the bracelet and the cosmetic appearance.

See below image of an 'original' 125 BCT and note the stretching between the links and the obvious exposure of the interlink



The terminology around 'service bracelet' really applies to the fact they usual when watches of this ilk was/is sent back in for service the bracelets were stretched (the critical flaw of the interlink structure) and as such replaced with one of the later style bracelet such as your own. For affordability purposes replacing the interlinks is not viable, it is timely, painful and costly, I know because I have done it on over 20 bracelets. The interlinks are now 拢10 a pair, usually the bracelet required 10 pairs, you need to stretch the bracelet out, either bench drill or cut the interlinks out and careful fit the new ones in, the results are superb but the last time I did it I put a spike tool through my hand!!!!!!!.

It is not outside of the realms of possibility that one left the factory with this bracelet but IMHO it would have needed to be manufactured at later date than the original batch (of which I can find no evidence via the factory).

My other logic indicating it is a possibly later service replacement is that you will note the case tubes attaching the bracelet on your example are in excellent condition but slightly bowed out at the peak ends, this is due to the much heavier original bracelet and the heavy case having little or no give so 'stretch' happening in the tubes and not the bracelets (again the common issue with the original interlink bracelet)


I know this was a fundamental issue for Omega as they still manufacture and supply the interlinks (I am probably their best customer for these). Hence there is a whole plethora of more costly, light and robust replacement bracelets for all of the above mentioned models.

The information I have gathered over the years has been complied here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Chrono-Quartz

By no means is that a definitive history of this remarkable watch but a bite sized introduction to budding enthusiasts and collector.

However I have good connections at the factory and one of the worlds most established omega service centres who specialises in these watches and have been in business for well over 20 years, our joint consensus when I was researching was that the V2 was indeed a replacement bracelet manufactured after the initial run to allow longevity of service.

I cannot confirm one way or another that your dial is lumoniva, as mentioned I have a factory serviced (they no longer support these only Swiss Tec/ Swiss Time Services in the UK do) which has a factory fitted lumoniva dial, I know it is luminova as it has the same glow intensity and longevity as a planet ocean, I also own a NOS 1977 example which is untouched and the two illuminations are a world apart, its like comparing the headlights of a 1977 911 to those of a 2015 911 HD system.

I hope this information is useful? you have a lovely example of what I class to be a very rare/ special Omega and one that is far more unique than many of my forum freinds coveted Speedmasters etc in that unlike even calibre 321 chronographs and one could say also even the 125 (which has a derivative of the 1040) the 1611 movement was developed at huge cost and only ever used in this one single wrist watch.

I love them

Thanks Tom
 
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Hi Tom.
Have you any idea of the availability and or cost of a replacement Chrono Quartz Montreal Cal 1611 Display Micromoter Circuit please?
I am presuming they are not repairable and will now be in short supply>
Regards.
IanG
 
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Tom.
Meant to include the LCD display and micromotor in the query.
I have a colleague who apparently has a case but not the workings of the electrics etc!,
Regards.
IanG
 
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Hi Ken

I am reasonably well rehearsed on these watch having owned a dozen or so, the V2 was produced as a more light weight and affordable (to manufacture) bracelet shortly after the production run for the Chrono-Quartz ended (only around 15000 units produced of which it is likely 2-3000 were 'spares watches'). It wouldn't be unreasonable for people to assume the watches where produced with these bracelets but I think it is unlikely as they were all manufactured between late 1975 and late 1976, at this time Omega were still using the standard 'interlink' heavy bracelet, which was far more costly to produce and manufacture. The only caveat to this I could have been if any of the bracelets were manufactured in Mexico but this wasn't that 'type' of watch and bracelets (unlike the Mexican produced or British produced ones) couldn't be used on a wide array of other omega models so why bother?

So, on to the 'bracelet' issue, the original 12XX/2XX bracelet line was introduced to the market towards the last quarter of 1972 and originally seen on Megaquartz's Marine Chronometer and Stardust lines, it later became an addition in other incarnations on the Megaquartz, F300, Speedmaster etc lines.

The bracelet was of excellent quality however was fundamentally flawed, firstly it was made up of a series of huge stainless steel links which were heavy, bulky and costly to make as they required machining and drilling for each individual and individually sized tapered link. Secondly (and the crux of the issue) was that they were interconnected with one another via a series of double spring bar tubes known as 'interlinks'. the weight of the bracelet links with the weakness of the interlinks resulted in it being quite easy to stretch the links apart and thus impacting on both the performance of the bracelet and the cosmetic appearance.

See below image of an 'original' 125 BCT and note the stretching between the links and the obvious exposure of the interlink



The terminology around 'service bracelet' really applies to the fact they usual when watches of this ilk was/is sent back in for service the bracelets were stretched (the critical flaw of the interlink structure) and as such replaced with one of the later style bracelet such as your own. For affordability purposes replacing the interlinks is not viable, it is timely, painful and costly, I know because I have done it on over 20 bracelets. The interlinks are now 拢10 a pair, usually the bracelet required 10 pairs, you need to stretch the bracelet out, either bench drill or cut the interlinks out and careful fit the new ones in, the results are superb but the last time I did it I put a spike tool through my hand!!!!!!!.

It is not outside of the realms of possibility that one left the factory with this bracelet but IMHO it would have needed to be manufactured at later date than the original batch (of which I can find no evidence via the factory).

My other logic indicating it is a possibly later service replacement is that you will note the case tubes attaching the bracelet on your example are in excellent condition but slightly bowed out at the peak ends, this is due to the much heavier original bracelet and the heavy case having little or no give so 'stretch' happening in the tubes and not the bracelets (again the common issue with the original interlink bracelet)


I know this was a fundamental issue for Omega as they still manufacture and supply the interlinks (I am probably their best customer for these). Hence there is a whole plethora of more costly, light and robust replacement bracelets for all of the above mentioned models.

The information I have gathered over the years has been complied here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Chrono-Quartz

By no means is that a definitive history of this remarkable watch but a bite sized introduction to budding enthusiasts and collector.

However I have good connections at the factory and one of the worlds most established omega service centres who specialises in these watches and have been in business for well over 20 years, our joint consensus when I was researching was that the V2 was indeed a replacement bracelet manufactured after the initial run to allow longevity of service.

I cannot confirm one way or another that your dial is lumoniva, as mentioned I have a factory serviced (they no longer support these only Swiss Tec/ Swiss Time Services in the UK do) which has a factory fitted lumoniva dial, I know it is luminova as it has the same glow intensity and longevity as a planet ocean, I also own a NOS 1977 example which is untouched and the two illuminations are a world apart, its like comparing the headlights of a 1977 911 to those of a 2015 911 HD system.

I hope this information is useful? you have a lovely example of what I class to be a very rare/ special Omega and one that is far more unique than many of my forum freinds coveted Speedmasters etc in that unlike even calibre 321 chronographs and one could say also even the 125 (which has a derivative of the 1040) the 1611 movement was developed at huge cost and only ever used in this one single wrist watch.

I love them

Thanks Tom

Tom.
Hi, I am new to this forum but would very much appreciate the information that you presumably have in regard to the company you mention regarding servicing these watches.
If you could contact me via my email, [email protected], at your convenience it would be helpful and more direct than through the forums.
I see your post is quite old now do I do not know what your current involvement is generally with the site.
I hope you can be of assistance.Regards.
Ian
 
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Not sure, to be honest. Worth having either way, though.
Greetings! I have also an nice Albatros 1611,buth the movement is full with rust 馃檨 ! I need a working version of this movment! The mechanical part,the analog has no rust,is in good condition.buth the electronical part is damage! Can you help me,please?! Thank you and best regards!
 
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Greetings! I have also an nice Albatros 1611,buth the movement is full with rust 馃檨 ! I need a working version of this movment! The mechanical part,the analog has no rust,is in good condition.buth the electronical part is damage! Can you help me,please?! Thank you and best regards!

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