1611 "Montreal" Chrono-Quartz (aka Albatross) Query

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Looks good, its a service BCT on the example shown but they are of a very high standard, Colin, Omega do make service dials for them, I have a 2010 serviced example with a lumioniva dial, its looks awesome!

Great catch OP
 
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Looks good, its a service BCT on the example shown but they are of a very high standard, Colin, Omega do make service dials for them, I have a 2010 serviced example with a lumioniva dial, its looks awesome!
Glad to hear that the second version of the bracelet is of good quality, and thanks for clearing up the dial question.

Great catch OP
Thanks - really appreciate it!
 
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Looks good, its a service BCT on the example shown but they are of a very high standard
Actually, TD, just to pick up on the description "service" for the second bracelet.

I read somewhere that both bracelets were used during the original one-year production of the watch, rather than V2 being a later "service" bracelet. This is just info I've gleaned from the Internet (and we know how unreliable that can be!) - I'm certainly no expert!

Do you have any additional info/resources/notes to confirm one way or the other?

(This would be just out of interest - your earlier comment about the quality of V2 has satisfied me completely regarding this BCT).
 
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Both dials do not have T's on them so they both have no Tritium on them. Doesn't necessarily mean "Luminova" either. There are more than just so-called "Tritium" or "luminova" for use as index lumes.
 
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Actually, TD, just to pick up on the description "service" for the second bracelet.

I read somewhere that both bracelets were used during the original one-year production of the watch, rather than V2 being a later "service" bracelet. This is just info I've gleaned from the Internet (and we know how unreliable that can be!) - I'm certainly no expert!

Do you have any additional info/resources/notes to confirm one way or the other?

(This would be just out of interest - your earlier comment about the quality of V2 has satisfied me completely regarding this BCT).

Hi Ken

I am reasonably well rehearsed on these watch having owned a dozen or so, the V2 was produced as a more light weight and affordable (to manufacture) bracelet shortly after the production run for the Chrono-Quartz ended (only around 15000 units produced of which it is likely 2-3000 were 'spares watches'). It wouldn't be unreasonable for people to assume the watches where produced with these bracelets but I think it is unlikely as they were all manufactured between late 1975 and late 1976, at this time Omega were still using the standard 'interlink' heavy bracelet, which was far more costly to produce and manufacture. The only caveat to this I could have been if any of the bracelets were manufactured in Mexico but this wasn't that 'type' of watch and bracelets (unlike the Mexican produced or British produced ones) couldn't be used on a wide array of other omega models so why bother?

So, on to the 'bracelet' issue, the original 12XX/2XX bracelet line was introduced to the market towards the last quarter of 1972 and originally seen on Megaquartz's Marine Chronometer and Stardust lines, it later became an addition in other incarnations on the Megaquartz, F300, Speedmaster etc lines.

The bracelet was of excellent quality however was fundamentally flawed, firstly it was made up of a series of huge stainless steel links which were heavy, bulky and costly to make as they required machining and drilling for each individual and individually sized tapered link. Secondly (and the crux of the issue) was that they were interconnected with one another via a series of double spring bar tubes known as 'interlinks'. the weight of the bracelet links with the weakness of the interlinks resulted in it being quite easy to stretch the links apart and thus impacting on both the performance of the bracelet and the cosmetic appearance.

See below image of an 'original' 125 BCT and note the stretching between the links and the obvious exposure of the interlink



The terminology around 'service bracelet' really applies to the fact they usual when watches of this ilk was/is sent back in for service the bracelets were stretched (the critical flaw of the interlink structure) and as such replaced with one of the later style bracelet such as your own. For affordability purposes replacing the interlinks is not viable, it is timely, painful and costly, I know because I have done it on over 20 bracelets. The interlinks are now £10 a pair, usually the bracelet required 10 pairs, you need to stretch the bracelet out, either bench drill or cut the interlinks out and careful fit the new ones in, the results are superb but the last time I did it I put a spike tool through my hand!!!!!!!.

It is not outside of the realms of possibility that one left the factory with this bracelet but IMHO it would have needed to be manufactured at later date than the original batch (of which I can find no evidence via the factory).

My other logic indicating it is a possibly later service replacement is that you will note the case tubes attaching the bracelet on your example are in excellent condition but slightly bowed out at the peak ends, this is due to the much heavier original bracelet and the heavy case having little or no give so 'stretch' happening in the tubes and not the bracelets (again the common issue with the original interlink bracelet)


I know this was a fundamental issue for Omega as they still manufacture and supply the interlinks (I am probably their best customer for these). Hence there is a whole plethora of more costly, light and robust replacement bracelets for all of the above mentioned models.

The information I have gathered over the years has been complied here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Chrono-Quartz

By no means is that a definitive history of this remarkable watch but a bite sized introduction to budding enthusiasts and collector.

However I have good connections at the factory and one of the worlds most established omega service centres who specialises in these watches and have been in business for well over 20 years, our joint consensus when I was researching was that the V2 was indeed a replacement bracelet manufactured after the initial run to allow longevity of service.

I cannot confirm one way or another that your dial is lumoniva, as mentioned I have a factory serviced (they no longer support these only Swiss Tec/ Swiss Time Services in the UK do) which has a factory fitted lumoniva dial, I know it is luminova as it has the same glow intensity and longevity as a planet ocean, I also own a NOS 1977 example which is untouched and the two illuminations are a world apart, its like comparing the headlights of a 1977 911 to those of a 2015 911 HD system.

I hope this information is useful? you have a lovely example of what I class to be a very rare/ special Omega and one that is far more unique than many of my forum freinds coveted Speedmasters etc in that unlike even calibre 321 chronographs and one could say also even the 125 (which has a derivative of the 1040) the 1611 movement was developed at huge cost and only ever used in this one single wrist watch.

I love them

Thanks Tom
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Tom, what can I say? Thank you so much for taking the time to put together such a detailed and informative reply - it really was an education! (I'm familiar with your wiki piece, by the way, and have referred to it quite a bit recently).

As I mentioned up-thread, I'm perfectly happy to be getting V2, but it's really interesting to get all these little extra pieces of info to build up my knowledge on this special watch.

I don't want to build my hopes up re. luminova. To be honest, I hadn't even considered that possibility until it was mentioned in this thread. That said, it would be great if that dial glowed like a modern-day Omega! "Lume Shots" to come if does...

Finally, although I only had 3 pics to post, it's a relief that your expert eye hasn't picked out anything too serious or obviously worrying. I really hope everything is as good as it appears. I still can't quite believe that I'll soon be an owner (a wearer!) of one of these magnificent watches!
 
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I'll have to look up my notes but if memory serves, what was unusual about the CQ is that the notes in the old Omega vintage database showed both versions of the bracelet which wasn't the case for other service bracelets. Might just come down to the fact that the info was more readily available for some reason.

In any case do check that the screws can be removed upon reception, both on the case and in the links as they can be jammed/worn/shaved.
 
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Ken

My pleasure, that is what this community is all about and why I love this forum

As an aside here is my how to on rebuilding a Chromo-Quartz bracelet:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-bracelet-rebuilding-not-for-the-faint-hearted.17888/

Excellent stuff! I had a quick scroll through the pics, but will try to understand what's going on a bit later - it all looks way beyond my capabilities (I still get nervous swapping between straps and bracelets!).

Just one other question if I may: I mentioned the needle/syringe hands in my OP and wondered why some examples don't seem to have this type of hour hand (only the minute). Can you shed any light on that one? Was the non-needle hour also "service"?

Again, this is just out of interest - I'm not bothered about not having a needle hour hand (although there is one on that spare dial!)
 
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I'll have to look up my notes but if memory serves, what was unusual about the CQ is that the notes in the old Omega vintage database showed both versions of the bracelet which wasn't the case for other service bracelets. Might just come down to the fact that the info was more readily available for some reason.

In any case do check that the screws can be removed upon reception, both on the case and in the links as they can be jammed/worn/shaved.

To be honest, I'm a complete novice - I got my first vintage Omega just last summer (although I've been building up a small collection since then). I wouldn't have the confidence (or tools!) to check that the screws could be removed...

By the way, webvan, I downloaded the pdf of the manual that you put online some years back and really enjoyed going through it today (even without the watch!). Thanks for taking the time and trouble to do that - nice one!
 
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Webvan, I have that too and you are right but I am sure this is explained by the fact this was a very early reinterpretation of the original bracelet, I cannot fathom why Omega would spend time and money fitting two bracelet which appear from the top cosmetically identical to the production run of a watch which ran for such a short period of time.
 
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Thank you so much for taking the time to put together such a detailed and informative reply - it really was an education!
+1. Thanks @Tom Dick that was an excellent read. 👍👍👍👍
 
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@Tom - yes I would think the v1 and v2 were not available at the same time, but the v2 would be different I think from a "service bracelet" like what they did for the other bar bracelet watches like the Seamaster (and TV Connie) MQ 32khz or even the MQ 2.4. Same result in the end though I suppose.

@Ken G : you're quite welcome for the manual, I remember struggling to find one at the time. Where was that link posted? I managed to source an original paper manual on eBay later, can't say I use it regularly but it's nice to have ;-)

Oh and talking about the MC this is where mine resides these days :
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@Ken G : you're quite welcome for the manual, I remember struggling to find one at the time. Where was that link posted? I managed to source an original paper manual on eBay later, can't say I use it regularly but it's nice to have ;-)

Oh and talking about the MC this is where mine resides these days :
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I just googled and came up trumps with a WUS thread. I also came across that pic of your stand last week when I was googling info on the watch - that really is something else! 😀
 
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Well, it arrived today and I'm absolutely delighted with it - couldn't be happier!

The dial doesn't appear to be luminova although there was the faintest of glows on the hands. Here are some pics:













And here are a couple of shots of my trio of quartz Omegas:





Thanks to everyone on this thread for sharing your knowledge and expertise - it really gave me the confidence to go ahead with the purchase. Cheers!
 
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Ken

Looks like a belter and lovely pics BTW, great example of a great watch, well done
 
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Ken

Looks like a belter and lovely pics BTW, great example of a great watch, well done
Thanks, Tom - I'm absolutely ecstatic with it! I had high expectations for this watch, but they've been exceeded.

Wonderful, just wonderful...

Ken
 
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Great looking watch well done. Looking at the wrist shot, it looks like it takes up half an arm. What does it wear like? I really want one of these but it looks a bit cumbersome.
 
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Another winner Ken! I'm a sucker for non-traditional case shapes and designs.I saw a chrono quartz at a GTG a while back and I remember my impression being surprised at just how big and awesome it was. People that complain about the size of modern Omegas should be aware that it isn't purely an invention of the past decade - Omega's been trying big, bold designs off and on for almost 50 years now. 👍
 
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Great looking watch well done. Looking at the wrist shot, it looks like it takes up half an arm. What does it wear like? I really want one of these but it looks a bit cumbersome.

It wears extremely comfortably. It's certainly a big watch - 51mm pushers to crown, I believe - but it's relatively narrow. So, yeah, it goes up and down your arm, but it doesn't overhang and it doesn't feel particularly heavy or cumbersome. I also wear a Ploprof 1200m and the Chrono-Quartz feels like it isn't even there in comparison!

EDIT: Here's another pic from a different angle. I think this shows the long, narrow nature of the case on the arm better...

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