145.012 at AQ Dec2021

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Lots of talk swirling around market values of speedmasters, in light of the unusual $3,4m sale at Phillips.

More than one dealer has mentioned to me that their 2915's will be asking 500k+, but I would be surprised if that translates into sales. So far, the Speedmaster buyers, like myself, are somewhat circumspect. What the market would need is buyers who have much more money than myself and my contemporaries, a whole new class of buyer, and I am not convinced they are there. I am often wrong with my market predictions in other areas, I am far too conservative and attribute far more discernment to buyers than they subsequently show. I was completely wrong about Netfix for example, but come on, posting DVDs?

So is there a shift upward in Speedmaster values? I kind of hope not, this is my hobby, and I don't want it to go out of reach, like for example Rolex GMTs have for many.


This is on offer in Hong Kong to be auctioned on 5th December.
Sometimes you really have to wonder how this gets past the cataloguers.



You can see the original listing here

Listed as a 145.012-67, with an Omega Extract from 2019.

The low estimate is USD 28,400 plus 25% commission.

I have been scanning the listing, looking for a reason this watch is listed for about three to four times its market value.

Note the bezel.

They do have a -71 which is more sensibly priced at low estimate $4,700 + commission:




This watch is only reasonable in context with the first watch - the hands are poor, the bezel is very poor, and generally tired. It does have a bracelet and it does have an overall attraction as a piece, provided it is the right money. I am not sure this is what the market will agree as the right money.

I will be interested to see how this auction plays out. HK is currently a prison, with movements restricted by Draconian entry quarantine requirements. My friends tell me this distorts the market, somewhat like a pressure cooker.

I cannot for the life of me work out the justification for that first estimate.
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That's a real head-scratcher, especially with the bezel (and crown) showing that it's not an all-original piece.
 
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Very confusing. Why do they say it's AAA excellent but the case is good and why do they say the movement is very good but needs service? Imho I thought the case was better than good bases on the pics.

They must place a premium on extracts, and perhaps bracelets.

I thought estimates were reflective of reserves, so perhaps someone in Hong Kong is panicking. If you ask 3 times the amout then accept half, the buyer thinks they got a bargain?

But like the OP mentioned, it's hard to understand who are the buyers.

(I kindof like the 71. 😟 relumed but a nice color, bezel is beat up but in a nice way around the edges. No distracting scratches on the dial. This would be a nice watch to wear around 5k all in. Not that I'm buying, but it would be tempting.)
 
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This is what Omega are wanting, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were in fact the buyer of the Phillips auction watch, I know it was a buyer from Hong Kong, but that doesn’t mean it actually was. We have all seen how silly Rolex prices have gone because oh historic sales and holding back of stock.
 
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What about… “priced that high by mistake” for a reason??? 👎 Or even “minimum estimate demanded by consigner” (although I think they would simply refuse selling it at that price)


There’s, obviously, no other explanation
 
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isn't it obvious? It's Michael Collins' speedy... flown to the moon (but never on it).

with that in mind, it's a steal!

(in jest of course. I queried a dealer on ebay not that long ago about why shipping for a watch was $1200. a day later, the listing was corrected to $120 (still high, imho). maybe that's a misplaced '2'?)
 
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I have been myself scratching my head with watch #1 at $28K+. Makes absolutely no sense and just seems like someone missed a memo somewhere.
 
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@nonuffinkbloke! what's up? haven't seen you around for ages (mainly cause I haven't been around for ages I guess 😉)
Oh I have been locked down in my rural village, in the UK @oddboy. I hope you and yours are well, and coping with all the ongoing Covid malarky.

Alas, only 3 pub visits in 20 months🙁...but last week I took my Dad's old 105.012-65 to a lovely pub called, The Abinger Hatch, tucked away in the English countryside. It was full of families with coughing kids, so I drank up and 'fakked awwff' out of it before they transferred their viral load to my watch and turned the dial black again.😲


Lovely to hear from you @oddboy. Stay well!😀

(BACK TO THE THREAD) Always interested to read William's stuff regrading the vintage Omega Speedmaster market, but good lord! $28,400! For a 145-012 with a moody bezel. Quite a margin between that and the 1971, 145-022.😕
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Oh I have been locked down in my village, (on the island of Great Britain) @oddboy. I hope you and yours are well, and coping with all the ongoing Covid malarky.

Alas, 3 pub visits in 20 months🙁...but last week I took my Dad's old 105.012-65 to a lovely pub called, The Abinger Hatch, tucked away in the English countryside.


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Within 15 minutes I was surrounded by families with coughing kids, so I drank up and 'fakked awwf' out of it, before they transferred their viral load to my Guinness!😲
Lovely to hear from you @oddboy. Stay well!😀

(BACK TO THE THREAD) Always interested to read William's stuff regrading the vintage Omega Speedmaster market, but good lord! $28,400! For a 105-012 with a moody bezel. Quite a margin between that and the 1971, 145-022.😕
Killer watch @nonuffinkbloke glad you decided to keep it. You’re a is a lot closer to $28K…
 
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Hmmm? In reality it is much closer to the145-022. Very kind of you to say so though.... I have that recurring dream as well! 🙁
 
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Alas, only 3 pub visits in 20 months🙁...

Farkkin Hell
I am more worried about this than the watch in question……